Michael Moore on Support the Troops

**patfromlogan** · Posted On: 1/05/2013 6:32am

I'm thinking maybe some vets and active duty might enjoy reading this. That or I'm getting really bored trying to troll The Devil and want to bother someone else. Seriously I think Moore makes some really good points, though some will certainly take issue with some parts of it.

I was a Navy brat, raised on bases, so I understand more than a lot of civilians, including Moore, duty and patriotism. My father spent 27 years in the Navy, starting out in the thirties as an enlisted man and ending up in Annapolis, class of 1942, though graduating early in '41 as they saw the war coming. He'd already served in Asia before WWII and liked the Japanese and thought that the war with Japan was entirely the US's fault, nevertheless he spent all of the war doing his best to kill Japanese (the Admiral that developed their 18" naval artillery was a buddy - somehow my idiot brother ended up with the big rooster porcelain plate he gave us). In a similar theme, after he was canned by Sec Defense Mcnamara for telling the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs (Max Taylor) that we were losing the Vietnam war (he was Chief Navy MAAG/MACV Saigon) - he nevertheless expected me to do my duty and serve in Vietnam a few years later.

Every serviceman's favorite liberal, Michael Moore, takes some shots - and I'm as guilty as anyone of much of this, as is he, for that matter. Though I don't agree that one shouldn't thank servicemen (and women) for their service. Been doing that for years and it's sincere.

Those Who Say "I Support the Troops" Should Just Stop
By Michael Moore,
04 January 13

I don't support the troops, America, and neither do you. I am tired of the ruse we are playing on these brave citizens in our armed forces. And guess what - a lot of these soldiers and sailors and airmen and Marines see right through the bull**** of those words, "I support the troops!," spoken by Americans with such false sincerity - false because our actions don't match our words. These young men and women sign up to risk their very lives to protect us - and this is what they get in return:

1. They get sent off to wars that have NOTHING to do with defending America or saving our lives. They are used as pawns so that the military-industrial complex can make billions of dollars and the rich here can expand their empire. By "supporting the troops," that means I'm supposed to shut up, don't ask questions, do nothing to stop the madness, and sit by and watch thousands of them die? Well, I've done an awful lot to try and end this. But the only way you can honestly say you support the troops is to work night and day to get them out of these hell holes they've been sent to. And what have I done this week to bring the troops home? Nothing. So if I say "I support the troops," don't believe me - I clearly don't support the troops because I've got more important things to do today, like return an iPhone that doesn't work and take my car in for a tune up.

2. While the troops we claim to "support" are serving their country, bankers who say they too "support the troops," foreclose on the actual homes of these soldiers and evict their families while they are overseas! Have I gone and stood in front of the sheriff's deputy as he is throwing a military family out of their home? No. And there's your proof that I don't "support the troops," because if I did, I would organize mass sit-ins to block the doors of these homes. Instead, I'm having Chilean sea bass tonight.

3. How many of you who say you "support the troops" have visited a VA hospital to bring aid and comfort to the sick and wounded? I haven't. How many of you have any clue what it's like to deal with the VA? I don't. Therefore, you would be safe to say that I don't "support the troops," and neither do you.

4. Who amongst you big enthusiastic "supporters of the troops" can tell me the approximate number of service women who have been raped while in the military? Answer: 19,000 (mostly) female troops are raped or sexually assaulted every year by fellow American troops. What have you or I done to bring these criminals to justice? What's that you say - out of sight, out of mind? These women have suffered, and I've done nothing. So don't ever let me get away with telling you I "support the troops" because, sadly, I don't. And neither do you.

5. Help a homeless vet today? How 'bout yesterday? Last week? Last year? Ever? But I thought you "support the troops!"? The number of homeless veterans is staggering - on any given night, at least 60,000 veterans are sleeping on the streets of the country that proudly "supports the troops." This is disgraceful and shameful, isn't it? And it exposes all those "troop supporters" who always vote against social programs that would help these veterans. Tonight there are at least 12,700 Iraq/Afghanistan veterans homeless and sleeping on the street. I've never lent a helping hand to one of the many vets I've seen sleeping on the street. I can't bear to look, and I walk past them very quickly. That's called not "supporting the troops," which, I guess, I don't - and neither do you.

6. And you know, the beautiful thing about all this "support" you and I have been giving the troops - they feel this love and support so much, a record number of them are killing themselves every single week. In fact, there are now more soldiers killing themselves than soldiers being killed in combat (323 suicides in 2012 through November vs. about 210 combat deaths). Yes, you are more likely to die by your own hand in the United States military than by al Qaeda or the Taliban. And an estimated eighteen veterans kill themselves each day, or one in five of all U.S. suicides - though no one really knows because we don't bother to keep track. Now, that's what I call support! These troops are really feeling the love, people! Lemme hear you say it again: "I support the troops!" Louder! "I SUPPORT THE TROOPS!!" There, that's better. I'm sure they heard us. Don't forget to fly our flag, wear your flag lapel pin, and never, ever let a service member pass you by without saying, "Thank you for your service!" I'm sure that's all they need to keep from putting a bullet in their heads. Do your best to keep your "support" up for the troops because, God knows, I certainly can't any longer.

I don't "support the troops" or any of those other hollow and hypocritical platitudes uttered by Republicans and frightened Democrats. Here's what I do support: I support them coming home. I support them being treated well. I support peace, and I beg any young person reading this who's thinking of joining the armed forces to please reconsider. Our war department has done little to show you they won't recklessly put your young life in harm's way for a cause that has nothing to do with what you signed up for. They will not help you once they've used you and spit you back into society. If you're a woman, they will not protect you from rapists in their ranks. And because you have a conscience and you know right from wrong, you do not want yourself being used to kill civilians in other countries who never did anything to hurt us. We are currently involved in at least a half-dozen military actions around the world. Don't become the next statistic so that General Electric can post another record profit - while paying no taxes - taxes that otherwise would be paying for the artificial leg that they've kept you waiting for months to receive.

I support you, and will try to do more to be there for you. And the best way you can support me - and the ideals our country says it believes in - is to get out of the military as soon as you can and never look back.

And please, next time some "supporter of the troops" says to you with that concerned look on their face, "I thank you for your service," you have my permission to punch their lights out (figuratively speaking, of course).

(There is something I've done to support the troops - other than help lead the effort to stop these senseless wars. At the movie theater I run in Michigan, I became the first person in town to institute an affirmative action plan for hiring returning Iraq/Afghanistan vets. I am working to get more businesses in town to join with me in this effort to find jobs for these returning soldiers. I also let all service members in to the movies for free, everyday.)

**Devil** · Posted On: 1/05/2013 10:55am

You post a 10,000 word essay in response to every sentence I write and you think you're trolling me? Funny.

And Michael Moore is a ****.

**Devil** · Posted On: 1/05/2013 11:52am

I didn't even realize your latest bitchass, whiny ass, insane left wing drivel was posted in The Armory. The **** does this bullshit have to do with this forum? The fact that your copypasta has the word troops in it doesn't mean it belongs here. **** off.

**patfromlogan** · Posted On: 1/05/2013 1:08pm

Originally Posted by Devil

Bla bla bla What does this well written essay have to do with this forum? Bla bla bla (I avoid throwdowns)

Oh, I was looking for response from men who'd served.

**doc8404** · Posted On: 1/05/2013 3:09pm

I did 8 years active duty and another 5 reserves. I served. This does not belong on Bullshido. It has zero to do with this forum. Flame elsewhere, please.

**Devil** · Posted On: 1/05/2013 3:25pm

Originally Posted by patfromlogan

Oh, I was looking for response from men who'd served.

Which is what I gave you.

**Devil** · Posted On: 1/05/2013 3:33pm

Originally Posted by doc8404

I did 8 years active duty and another 5 reserves. I served. This does not belong on Bullshido. It has zero to do with this forum. Flame elsewhere, please.

There are other forums here where his tinfoil hat diatribes are acceptable even though they're still retarded. Not the armory though. It's for gunslinging, cap popping shoot 'em up cowboys.

**W. Rabbit** · Posted On: 1/05/2013 5:52pm

Pat, go do pushups or something.

Imagine you're pushing down The Man.

**thrutch** · Posted On: 1/05/2013 9:53pm

Originally Posted by doc8404

I did 8 years active duty and another 5 reserves. I served. This does not belong on Bullshido. It has zero to do with this forum. Flame elsewhere, please.

Is it even flaming though? From where I'm sat Moore doesn't say anything particularly contentious.

Change a few of the numbers and everything he says there rings true for the UK, and no doubt scores of other countries:

The Government sends its armed forces on highly dubious foreign ventures.
The Government doesn't look after its armed forces.
The Government doesn't look after its veterans.
People claiming to support the troops are likely just paying lip service.

It's hardly breaking news, is it?

**PointyShinyBurn** · Posted On: 1/06/2013 6:06am

You're hitting a cultural wall, my fellow Brit. In the US everyone knows these things, but only certain culturally privileged people are allowed to say them without it counting as a shibboleth for their limp-wristed jihadist-appeasing socialist tendencies.