Wing Chun and Aikido

[ChuckWepner]

Hey guys, prolly TLDR here but:

After being a member of the forums for a little bit and reading enough posts here, I think I understand a lot of the hostility I faced when I first posted this. I know I apologized before but I'll apologize again. I'm sorry for my rudeness. I really wasn't trolling, I was trying to stay respectful and deferential while asking a sincere question. This question has since been answered, and ten-thousand more before I even knew to ask them! I do understand where you guys are coming from and I have had the same RL frustrations with certain stylists/schools/teachers, albeit not on the intarwebs.

I will say this tho', and please don't think I'm trying to excuse any shitty attitude I was showing in my posts or anything like that. After lurking around on the forums some more I've noticed that collectively you guys are sort of aggressive on n00bs even if they come with the good intentions. Like, this place even has a reputation for it outside of the site. Ignorant but willing to learn shouldn't be a problem, yeah? I had certain ignorant opinions on Aikido and Wing Chun which have since been dispelled thanks to you guys. I see that ya'll have to deal with a lot of trolls and all-around jackassery, but it seems that I - and other newbies here - sometimes feel a little overwhelmed by hostility when we stumble into conversations you guys've had many times before. I guess the aggression and desire to dispel ignorance is natural when we're all martial artists, but it's something to note the next time someone asks a question that you've seen a thousand times before.

Please don't take this post as condescending. That's not my intention. As sissy as I'm gonna sound, I say this all with an open heart. I felt real on the defensive when I first posted, and I only relatively recently understand why there was so much aggression. I know it's the internet, but... wisewordswisewordswisewords?

You are right that there are often people who leap to the conclusion that someone is trolling or being a jerk before there is any solid evidence of it. There are also a few posters on here whose self-image is so weak that they will abuse others for no reason whatever. I recommend continuing to be your polite, reasonable self, not fighting with the mods, and finding the conversations that interest you and where you have something to contribute. Making it clear up front when you aren't an expert about something is often useful.

There are a lot of people on this board who have a great deal of expertise on a remarkable range of subjects, including just about everything martial arts related and an incredible array of other topics. It can be a fantastic resource. Unfortunately, intellectual humility is in incredibly short supply and many members cannot bear to admit it when they are wrong, let alone to apologize. So, I, for one, appreciate your apology, though you never offended me.

Then again, I'm the kind of weakling who sometimes apologizes. You'll soon discover that this is the kind of site where members can take screening tests for narcissistic personality disorders, announce their almost-off-the-charts scores proudly, and then demand to know who these psychiatrists think they are to say that it is abnormal or bad in any way to have a healthy, positive self-image such as theirs without a twinge of irony, and they pretty much blend into the background.

There are a large number of cool, interesting, funny people to "talk" with here, but you may occasionally need some hip-boots to get through the machismo and self-adoration of a highly vocal and substantial minority.

[Bezmond]

Well **** you, Chuck, you apologising fag.

[Vieux Normand]

Never

EVER

Apologise

On

The

Internet

Now, Yimjob, tell Rock Ape you're sorry...

[Diesel_tke]

The owner of the site has always encouraged unfettered debate. One of the consequences of this is that members are often plainspoken to the point of being rude. Others are simply rude from the start.

My wife tells me that sometimes I come off as an asshole. I don't believe her, of course.

[W. Rabbit]

All oriental martial arts systems have something in common--they lock their punchs.

This may be the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read.

Also traditional martial arts systems move on full beats, whereas modern fighters use half beats.

Sorry to have to apologize, but I was wrong.

THAT was the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read.

[W. Rabbit]

Well **** you, Chuck, you apologising fag.

Chuck has the whole site membership figured out. I'll bet he's written up DSM-IV codes for everyone.

So much for "intellectual humility".

[Vieux Normand]

All oriental martial arts systems have something in common--they lock their punchs.

So...free armbars/triangles all around?

Sweet!

Also traditional martial arts systems move on full beats, whereas modern fighters use half beats.

That's what was missing from this forum. Everything else has been covered ad nauseam.

So, Hoopsie, tell us: which MAs are practised in 4/4 time, which are the waltzing ones (3/4 time), which ones skip lightly (6/8 time), how about bladed-weapons/farting MAs (2/4, AKA cut-time) and how about the more-spastic-than-usual MAs (7/4, 7/8 and other odd time signatures)?

Don't know about anyone else, but I'm here to learn!

In theory WC should be able to work in MMA as long as the practitioner keeps it simple.

*hand shoots up*

Oh! Oh! I know that theory! WC will indeed work in MMA: it will work wonders for the MMA-trained opponent, who will keep things very simple. And quick.

[Krijgsman]

So...free armbars/triangles all around?

Sweet!



That's what was missing from this forum. Everything else has been covered ad nauseam.

So, Hoopsie, tell us: which MAs are practised in 4/4 time, which are the waltzing ones (3/4 time), which ones skip lightly (6/8 time), how about bladed-weapons/farting MAs (2/4, AKA cut-time) and how about the more-spastic-than-usual MAs (7/4, 7/8 and other odd time signatures)?

Don't know about anyone else, but I'm here to learn!



*hand shoots up*

Oh! Oh! I know that theory! WC will indeed work in MMA: it will work wonders for the MMA-trained opponent, who will keep things very simple. And quick.

Duh, that's why they play music a Muay Thai fights, so the fighters know what time signature to adhere to. You didn't know that?

[Bezmond]

I do jazz kung fu. Time signatures are for squares.

[Bezmond]

My wife tells me that sometimes I come off as an asshole. I don't believe her, of course.

Don't worry, everyone's wife says that. We can't possibly ALL be assholes...