Back off MMA

**MrGalt** · Posted On: 1/19/2013 10:29am

Originally Posted by Jimmy Needer

...From what I have seen, Kyokushin competitions are full contact knockdown but no punches to the face....Now the problem with the Kyokushin guys is sometimes they would get into a scrap at a local night club or pub. The one thing I noticed out of the few of those scraps I witnessed was that these guys would react in a real confrontation with a series of chest punches. Now this is obviously a generalisation, it is not to state that all Kyokushin fighters would react this way - however I remember thinking at the times when these scraps happened, that maybe these guys reacted this way because a lot of their free sparring involved lots of body work and very little head work.

From what I experienced with Shito Ryu Shukokai - yes, there were lots of head punches but it is a points sports karate...from what I experienced - excellent refinement of technique and point scoring ... but very little contact.

You forgot to give a conclusion to your argument. You stated that
1. Kyokushin trains with hard body shots but no head shots.
2. Kyokushin fighters consequently don't punch to the head in "real" fights. (bullshit)
3. Shukokai um...people train with light shots to the head and body.
4. Shukokai people consequently _________________ in "real" fights.

My guess is "pull punches," which was always my nightmare when I did point krotty back in the day. It turns out I was right, too, because when I got to a knockdown karate school I spent a long time under-committing to techniques, failing to drive with my punches, and worst of all, stopping after I got in a good shot. After all, the ref was about to call stop, right?

I also laugh in the face of your whole "instinct" argument. Who cares if your instinct in a fight is to throw a hard right? If all that matters is instinct nobody should be training at all and this forum should shut right down. Apparently we can train to respond EFFECTIVELY rather than INSTINCTIVELY to stimuli.

**Volya** · Posted On: 1/19/2013 11:24am

Originally Posted by cualltaigh

Did I see that Volya is training at AMA now too? Anyway, if current discussions continue fruitfully over the weekend I may have only another 4 weeks of travelling to Brisvegas so I'll have to squeeze in a Friday night down there soon.

Yeah, I'm training there now. Need to come on Fridays for rolling and sparring. I am a lazy ****.

**mike321** · Posted On: 1/19/2013 1:20pm

Originally Posted by rnc357

I agree with most of what you said, but the part about "unless the guy wrestled in high school" PLEASE! You have got to be kidding.

I read Gihin Funikoshi's autobiography. He considered wrestling an inportant prerequisite of karate. Wrestling traditionally was a common game for kids (less money for other activities). He devoted a small chapter about this in his autobiography.