Back off MMA

**Permalost** · Posted On: 1/18/2013 5:34pm

Originally Posted by Jimmy Needer

Tapping out of this thread.

Dang, I was hoping you'd answer how your year of karate improved your punching from years of kickboxing.

***battlefields*** · Posted On: 1/18/2013 5:35pm

Look, I'm in Brisbane. You ever want to spar, my door is open, metaphorically. This is not an ego thing, I am literally offering to work with you, I'm offering you the chance to see why my training methodology will do exactly what you want and more. You'll get all those things you crave PLUS you'll learn how to fight. It's actually a really good deal.

I want to be clear, I don't want to "fight" you, nor do I want to "beat you up". I want to help you find what works in the techniques you've learned. There will be no malice, I spar every Friday with my mates and afterwards chill out with them, there's no ego. There can't be, most of my mates are significantly better than me, lol.

**mike321** · Posted On: 1/18/2013 5:43pm

Originally Posted by It is Fake

This is completely wrong. You post your OP anywhere, but newbietown and the same thing would happen. If you lost your cool in newbietown, where people have to be NICER, it would have ended up here anyway.

Well I was hoping he would go over to Newbietown and focus on introducing himself not start up this discussion. I guess we will see.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 1/18/2013 5:49pm

Well, my point was you were wrong about this not happening in another area of the website.

Pedantry FTW!

**KickPuncher** · Posted On: 1/18/2013 7:20pm

Originally Posted by Permalost

Dang, I was hoping you'd answer how your year of karate improved your punching from years of kickboxing.

I'm also interested to know this. Unless it was cardio kickboxing...

**cualltaigh** · Posted On: 1/18/2013 9:34pm

Originally Posted by battlefields

Look, I'm in Brisbane. You ever want to spar, my door is open, metaphorically. This is not an ego thing, I am literally offering to work with you, I'm offering you the chance to see why my training methodology will do exactly what you want and more. You'll get all those things you crave PLUS you'll learn how to fight. It's actually a really good deal.

I want to be clear, I don't want to "fight" you, nor do I want to "beat you up". I want to help you find what works in the techniques you've learned. There will be no malice, I spar every Friday with my mates and afterwards chill out with them, there's no ego. There can't be, most of my mates are significantly better than me, lol.

Did I see that Volya is training at AMA now too? Anyway, if current discussions continue fruitfully over the weekend I may have only another 4 weeks of travelling to Brisvegas so I'll have to squeeze in a Friday night down there soon.

**rnc357** · Posted On: 1/19/2013 3:44am

Originally Posted by Vorpal

Street vs ring? Again? really? Karate in and of itself isn't a problem. The TKD and TSD schools I attended in the 80s sparred hard. You can't find that anymore. Train hard in a hard sparring Kyokushin dojo and you are way ahead of the guy on the street (unless that guy wrestled in high school). The problem with karate in general is that it has been watered down, is train in ineffective ways and is not pressure tested the way that most combat sports are. It amazes me that people are still, this far after UFC 1, convinced that although they cannot prevail against someone on the mats under any given ruleset they will still be able to prevail on the streets without one. It's mindboggling.

I feel that a subsequent post about how you train to fight multiple opponents is not far off.

I agree with most of what you said, but the part about "unless the guy wrestled in high school" PLEASE! You have got to be kidding.

***battlefields*** · Posted On: 1/19/2013 3:52am

Originally Posted by cualltaigh

Did I see that Volya is training at AMA now too? Anyway, if current discussions continue fruitfully over the weekend I may have only another 4 weeks of travelling to Brisvegas so I'll have to squeeze in a Friday night down there soon.

Hey bro, yeah, Volya signed up. Look forward to seeing you on the mat.

**Permalost** · Posted On: 1/19/2013 5:56am

Originally Posted by rnc357

I agree with most of what you said, but the part about "unless the guy wrestled in high school" PLEASE! You have got to be kidding.

Are you disagreeing that a former wrestler has an advantage over an untrained street fighter, or that a hard sparring karateka isn't way ahead of a former wrestler?

I'd say used-to-wrestle-in-highschool guy is way more effective than untrained tough guy in a fight, and karateka are sometimes about on par with untrained people when it comes to moving on the ground, unless they've done some crosstraining or crappling, if early style vs style is any indication.

Old NHB fights had karateka/taekwondo guys and/or untrained toughmen frantically bicycling their legs from under mount, try to bench press the other guy off him, hold onto crappy headlocks like its a real attack, or try to kick or knee the guy from underneath while the opponent sits in mount or sidemount. These are the sorts of shenanigans that someone who even used to be a good wrestler would scoff at and easily defeat.

I've competed against a number of types of martial artists, and plain old wrestlers have given me the most trouble. I'd say that it takes a good karateka to stop a decent wrestler.

Of course, there's always the chance that the former wrestler gets KTFO'd on the way in with his rusty old takedown and lack of striking background.

**Diesel_tke** · Posted On: 1/19/2013 7:27am

Originally Posted by rnc357

I agree with most of what you said, but the part about "unless the guy wrestled in high school" PLEASE! You have got to be kidding.

You do realize that most wrestlers are advised to compete in bluebelt divisions at bjj competitions, right? Also I competed against a bunch of college freestyle wrestlers one time at a competition. They won most of the divisions they competed in. So I say to you: you have got to be kidding!