Back off MMA

**KickPuncher** · Posted On: 1/15/2013 2:49pm

Originally Posted by Shorin-ken

First of all; MMA fighters are like apes and traditionalists are often bullied all because of what Bruce Lee said about traditional styles and systems being impractical. Shorin ryu Karate is my style and I'm happy with it.

First of all, all humans (MMA'ers and TMA'ers alike) are apes, like it or not, and barely anybody (at least in the past several decades) gets down on TMA because of what Bruce Lee said about traditional styles. Where did that argument come from?

Nobody here is attacking your right to be happy. You like Shorin-Ryu? That's awesome - good for you. But making a poorly-constructed argument as a preemptive defense of your style... that's your first post?

**Vieux Normand** · Posted On: 1/15/2013 4:57pm

Originally Posted by KickPuncher

Nobody here is attacking your right to be happeh.

Word.

**ChuckWepner** · Posted On: 1/15/2013 5:49pm

Originally Posted by Shorin-ken

First of all; MMA fighters are like apes and traditionalists are often bullied all because of what Bruce Lee said about traditional styles and systems being impractical. Shorin ryu Karate is my style and I'm happy with it.

You are so right. Bruce Lee's comments about traditional styles are what allow other people to steal your lunch money, throw your hat on the roof, and push you down in the mud puddle on the playground despite your knowing 42 one-touch instant-death moves (all directed to the eyes, throat, and groin, of course, except for the one where you yank out the guy's still beating heart and show it to him before taking a bite out of it).

Also, those other guys are such meanies that you are just gonna have to lump them all together, pretend that there aren't lots and lots of them with extensive training in TMA, and call them names. That will show them! Those naughty boys will have to live with you calling them a name! Ooh! If only you could stamp your feet while holding your breath over the internet, you would make them sorry. Them and that mean old Bruce Lee. If they don't stop it right now, you are going to have to get your big sister and tell on everybody!

**cualltaigh** · Posted On: 1/15/2013 6:00pm

Originally Posted by ChuckWepner

You are so right. Bruce Lee's comments about traditional styles are what allow other people to steal your lunch money, throw your hat on the roof, and push you down in the mud puddle on the playground

it goes much deeper than that! If it werent for the oppressive words of a guy who died 15 yers before my karate kid inspired ma journey began I coulda been a contender. I woulda been UFC champion! Damn you Bruce and your dream crushing paraphrased words!

Originally Posted by ChuckWepner

If they don't stop it right now, you are going to have to get your big sister and tell on everybody!

**** just got R347, I'm out....

**Jimmy Needer** · Posted On: 1/17/2013 7:36pm

This thread is almost necro'd so hopefully this will be my last contribution to this thread so I can move on to others. I concede, too much bravado in my first post - copped a bashing for that. I'll take on some advice from some of the more constructive posts and give Bullshido a go . Now ... I don't dispute MMA, I am a fan of MMA. I train in Kickboxing and freestyle goju and I trained in traditional karate in 2012. Having trained in both I see the strengths and weaknesses of both. Traditional karate has some value - especially in developing a strong right punch, and isn't this the instinctual technique in a self defense situation? That's the point I was making, short and simple.

**Permalost** · Posted On: 1/17/2013 7:45pm

Originally Posted by Jimmy Needer

Traditional karate has some value - especially in developing a strong right punch, and isn't this the instinctual technique in a self defense situation? That's the point I was making, short and simple.

This kinda sounds like a variation of "its good enough for the lowest common denominator, so its good", which is a pretty poor endorsement for anything.

**DKJr** · Posted On: 1/17/2013 8:14pm

Originally Posted by Permalost

This kinda sounds like a variation of "its good enough for the lowest common denominator, so its good", which is a pretty poor endorsement for anything.

"I mean our restaurant won't give you food poisoning. Isn't that good enough?"

**Jimmy Needer** · Posted On: 1/17/2013 9:22pm

Traditional karate - ethics and techniques have value and are effective. Karate is not all impractical. The central point I was trying to make with my first post on this thread littered with mostly meaningless immature childish dribble is the importance of developing a strong reverse punch.

As stated in previous posts I have trained in traditional karate and modern systems. I am not coming on line without detailed experience in just one or the other, but both.

Of course karate also trains headbutts, elbows, knees, inner leg kicks, groin kicks, finger stabs to the eye, kick 'em when they're down etc, etc. That was not , my point, my point was the necessity and effectiveness of a strong hard punch - its basic bread and butter. Also, I don't think the bashing of traditional martial arts like karate is warranted. Live and let live ... karate will get you fit, keep you healthy and raise your confidence. It will also give you some essential self defense skills. Of course a karateka in the octagon would get his backside handed to him by an MMA fighter ... and probably on the street as well. But kicking someone's butt is not the ultimate goal of karate, its a Way.

Dudes who want to get online and deconstruct text and poke holes in something as simple as someone stating ... hey, a good hard right should be the foundation of solid MA training... far out, stop wasting my time and grow the frak up.

I am on this website to converse constructively ... not a fan of sparring keyboard warriors.

**KickPuncher** · Posted On: 1/17/2013 9:29pm

Originally Posted by DKJr

"I mean our restaurant won't give you food poisoning. Isn't that good enough?"

"I mean, it's not like we train to punch OURSELVES in the face"

**itwasntme** · Posted On: 1/17/2013 10:06pm

Originally Posted by Jimmy Needer

But kicking someone's butt is not the ultimate goal of karate, its a Way.

And this is the problem people here have with [some] TMAists.

Karatedo most certainly is a "way", the way of the empty hand. The ultimate goal is to have the ability to kick butt.

In MAs, there are high percentage and low percentage techniques. The problem with some styles is that they are taught in a manner that doesn't allow one to discern the difference between the two. In turn, one will likely not be able to execute many, if any, of the techniques one spends hard earned money on to learn while under pressure (eg. street defense or in the ring).

Nobody here that isn't trolling will tell you that Karate, as a system (or group of systems), is bullshit.