Traditional Karate Grappling

**BKR** · Posted On: 1/15/2013 7:19pm

Originally Posted by judoratt

You could be saying this in 30 years.

I sure as hell am!

**afterthefall** · Posted On: 2/06/2013 12:19am

Originally Posted by Budo_Brown

I plan on training at the Obukan. You gave it a good reference, the review looked good, and it's history alone speaks for itself.

Its a solid place with an amazing history, and it won't break the bank if you are already training elsewhere. You definitely should; I have been there about a year and I'm very happy all in all. I train a little less now than I'd like due to school, but you really can't go wrong.

edit: didn't see either that you were brand new. Give it a year and then start x-training, by waiting you'll do better at both than if you jump in this early.

**patfromlogan** · Posted On: 2/06/2013 2:30am

Thanks for the info about kk in Utah. We were pretty isolated.

But to the OP's thread I would add that I started in a tma karate 40 years ago in Hawaii and the top bbs had cross trained, usually in Judo. We were told tha if you were serious about training, after getting shodan or nidan one should go for a shodan in JJ or Judo. This is of course with the expectation that the student would continue with karate as their base art.

**Budo_Brown** · Posted On: 2/06/2013 5:13am

Originally Posted by patfromlogan

Thanks for the info about kk in Utah. We were pretty isolated.

But to the OP's thread I would add that I started in a tma karate 40 years ago in Hawaii and the top bbs had cross trained, usually in Judo. We were told tha if you were serious about training, after getting shodan or nidan one should go for a shodan in JJ or Judo. This is of course with the expectation that the student would continue with karate as their base art.

My Shihan has allowed a Hakkoryu Jujutsu Kaiden Shihan Sandaikichu to begin teaching classes twice a week. Our Shihan encourges us all to attend the Jujutsu classes. I've been training Kyokushin 3-4 days a week since dec and Hakkoryu 2 days a week since Jan. If I keep up this training pace then I should be able to obtain my Shodan in both within 3-4 years. Fortunately, the Shihan teaching Jujutsu is also a 4th dan in Judo and holds a Shodan in Goju Ryu. He holds Dan ranking in two other kinds of Japanese Jujutsu but I don't recall the Ryu. He likes to show us variations of the traditional technique that use technique from Judo or Karate. Although, we do not train the Jujutsu alive, the techniques I'm learning transfer well into the sercurity aspect of working in a nightclub as I do still at times. The kyokushin training is plenty traditional and plenty alive though ;)

**whatever123** · Posted On: 2/06/2013 11:19am

Originally Posted by Budo_Brown

My Shihan has allowed a Hakkoryu Jujutsu Kaiden Shihan Sandaikichu to begin teaching classes twice a week. Our Shihan encourges us all to attend the Jujutsu classes. I've been training Kyokushin 3-4 days a week since dec and Hakkoryu 2 days a week since Jan. If I keep up this training pace then I should be able to obtain my Shodan in both within 3-4 years. Fortunately, the Shihan teaching Jujutsu is also a 4th dan in Judo and holds a Shodan in Goju Ryu. He holds Dan ranking in two other kinds of Japanese Jujutsu but I don't recall the Ryu. He likes to show us variations of the traditional technique that use technique from Judo or Karate. Although, we do not train the Jujutsu alive, the techniques I'm learning transfer well into the sercurity aspect of working in a nightclub as I do still at times. The kyokushin training is plenty traditional and plenty alive though ;)

Did you cancel your participation in the tournament?

If not why are you cross training?

shouldn't you be focusing on your tournament?

**Budo_Brown** · Posted On: 2/06/2013 1:34pm

Originally Posted by whatever123

Did you cancel your participation in the tournament?

If not why are you cross training?

shouldn't you be focusing on your tournament?

No, I didn't cancel my tournament participation. The Jujutsu classes directly follow Kyokushin class on Tuesday and Saturday. They are both in the same dojo so I just stay after kyokushin class and train Jujutsu as well. I'm very focused on my tournament . I workout daily at home as well.

**whatever123** · Posted On: 2/06/2013 2:22pm

I don't know. But if I had a tournament & I'm a beginner in a martial art style I would use any extra time I have to either train or recover from training depending on my schedule.

Good luck

**Budo_Brown** · Posted On: 2/06/2013 5:49pm

I understand where you are coming from. I also appreciate your perspective. I also trust my Shihan and senior students. There's a lot of tournament experience in my dojo. We train hard, we train old school Japanese style. For instance yesterday's class started with us conditioning our shins by hitting them lightly then harder with wooden bats. Not full swings or anything close but enough to bruise and build. We then traded low kicks and blocking bone to bone. The entire class was full contact kumite drills. Believe me, Jujutsu class is resting after Kyokushin training at our dojo. We'll slow down a little closer to the tournament but for now. It's go hard or go home.

**Budo_Brown** · Posted On: 2/06/2013 6:08pm

Also, to clarify. It's Hakkoryu Jujutsu. Joint manipulation, locks, and throws. There's little to no ground grappling from what I've seen thus far. That being the case, it's not as hard on the body as BJJ or GJJ.