For the TKD'ers: Favorite Poomse/Hyung?

**Earl Weiss** · Posted On: 2/07/2013 12:20pm

Originally Posted by DerAuslander

Juche is the political philosophy created by Kim Ilsung and used to "govern" North Korea, so yes, they are dying in the name of your pattern.

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You are wrong about who created the philosophy.

http://en.nknet.org/about/hwang-jang-yop/

The rest of your rants in post 64 are equaly flawed.

**Earl Weiss** · Posted On: 2/07/2013 12:26pm

Originally Posted by DerAuslander

Juche is the political philosophy created by Kim Ilsung and used to "govern" North Korea, so yes, they are dying in the name of your pattern.

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You are wrong about who created the philosophy.

http://en.nknet.org/about/hwang-jang-yop/

The rest of your rants in post 64 are equaly flawed.

**Dracula** · Posted On: 2/10/2013 2:28am

Originally Posted by Miguksaram

TKD Panda, not saying you are supporting the regime with your practice, but I want to ask this, if Adolf Hitler personally requested a form to be developed called Mein Kopff to help recognize the his parties political ideas and it became part of a legitimate martial art curriculum, would you practice that form, knowing what it means and knowing the negatvie impact it has on others?

Actually any TK-D person can answer if they would like.

*incoming transmission from bizarro ITF*

That's absurd. It has nothing to do with them: the pattern is actually in the shape of an old Hindu peace symbol, and it ends with a Roman salute symbolizing Germany as the heirs of the Holy Roman Empire. The ties between Mein Kampf Tul and Adolf Hitler are ridiculous fabrications and suggesting that I'm supporting him by doing a pattern he commissioned is insulting.

**Bneterasedmynam** · Posted On: 2/11/2013 1:24pm

The only question I have on this is how many people actually know where the forms they practice in any martial art originated?? Also I have to wonder how many other arts have forms that may have been connected in one way or another to an asshat.

***DerAuslander*** · Posted On: 2/11/2013 2:25pm

Originally Posted by Earl Weiss

You are wrong about who created the philosophy.

http://en.nknet.org/about/hwang-jang-yop/

The rest of your rants in post 64 are equaly flawed.

No, Hwang created it at Kim Ilsung's request and collaboration.

Unlike you, I've actual met many these defectors, including Kim Jongil's personal tutor. I was his escort on two personal occasions. He jokingly refers to me as "my bodyguard" and his wife has offered to handmake my fiance's hanbok.

So, go ahead and attempt to approve me wrong, Earl. Ask these men what they think of you practicing Juche tul.

**Earl Weiss** · Posted On: 2/11/2013 5:27pm

Originally Posted by DerAuslander

So, go ahead and attempt to approve me wrong, Earl. Ask these men what they think of you practicing Juche tul.

Should the occasion present itself and should they be receptive to such a query I will be certain to do that.
Not the "Prove you wrong part" just get their perspective.
A local guy (we graduated from the same high school but many years apart) wrote "Escaping North Korea". He helped people defect. Part of his cover was training with ITF instructors in China near the border (he doesn't get into that very much). . He seems to move around a lot. I hope to get his thoughts on the topic one day as well.

**DarkPhoenix** · Posted On: 2/12/2013 3:34pm

Kwang Ae and Koryo. I am still working of Tae Bek and Gae Bek.

**Vinz Clortho** · Posted On: 2/21/2013 5:05pm

Chon-Ji! I had to since no one else will say it. Seriously though, I would say Ge-Baek for black belt and Hwa-Rang for color belt.

On an unrelated note, this thread really took a turn, but I am interested in discussing some of the points that were brought up (Omega, I am looking at you since it seems you can actually talk about a subject analytically). Maybe we could start a new thread discussing the pros and cons of the different schools of forms? Then again, maybe I am the only one that was interested in hearing what other people have discovered in their training...

***Omega Supreme*** · Posted On: 2/21/2013 5:38pm

Truthfully TKD forms are extremely watered down. I'm very much against the way ITF has decided to introduce sine movement stances to their pattern. Taekgeuks are equally abused. I used to teach TKD so instead of abandoning them and doing a cultural shock to my kids I simply adapted them to my kung fu system as a way to train their body to move better.

**Vinz Clortho** · Posted On: 2/22/2013 10:24am

I agree. I did not learn the sine wave until I had been a 1st Dan for a few years, and when a instructor from another school showed it to me, I thought "huh, that doesn't make sense. It's a waste of energy and it throws your center of gravity all over the place."

I learned the Taegeuks after I had been training 2 years, and have some of the same issues with them as I have heard you express. Anyway, maybe we can talk about this more some time. I am interested in your opinion since I teach Taekwondo (I would like to think the good stuff since some people have ruined parts of the style these days), but have been studying a couple Chinese martial arts the past several years. I think we have some similarities in our back grounds.