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    What would anybody gain from economic collapse?
    I think it is what is gained now; not concern for the future. The wealth generation in the last 20 years has been immense. At the same time, A lot of benefits for the poor are indirect subsidies for corporations. Many working poor use government benefits or even receive money back on income tax. This is part of the wage problem in the US. You have corporations earning money from importing cheaply produced items, you have minimum wage workers (busting their butts by the way) that are consuming govt resources instead of paying taxes in their wages which in a free market should be higher. This wealth blinds major moneyed interests to the risks down the road.
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    What would anybody gain from economic collapse?
    About the same as they would from deliberately making the poor poorer...
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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    About the same as they would from deliberately making the poor poorer...
    They want to make the general popation poorer so they can privatise the public sector and convince people that its the right thing to do.


    Edited because I asked a stupid question then looked it up and realised how dumb it was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adskibullus View Post
    They want to make the general popation poorer so they can privatise the public sector and convince people that its the right thing to do.
    What?

    Come on, you're an intelligent bloke you don't really believe such silliness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adskibullus View Post
    They want to make the general popation poorer so they can privatise the public sector and convince people that its the right thing to do.


    Edited because I asked a stupid question then looked it up and realised how dumb it was.
    The trend is to grow not shrink public sector. Also, blurring the public/private divide also seems to be a trend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike321 View Post
    The trend is to grow not shrink public sector. Also, blurring the public/private divide also seems to be a trend.
    Except that the ideologues who have lied to Adskibullus are starting from a viewpoint of returning Britain to 1950 when the post war Socialist government nationalised everything from trucking to telecoms and mining to medicine.

    In contrast to then, when the government owned and ran everything, in their warped world view, any step that isn't a step backwards to 50s and wholescale nationalisation is a step towards the mythical evil realm of privatisation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    What?

    Come on, you're an intelligent bloke you don't really believe such silliness.
    To be honest I really don't know what to believe. I've probably been brain washed because several members if my family work in the public sector.

    These cuts hit the poorest hardest which doesn't seem fair but let's face it there's no other choice really, we need big business investment which probably means lowering the tax that big business pays so we can try and intice investment therefore creating more jobs in the UK to raise more tax. It pulls on the heart strings to see the poverty that disabled family's and children with junkie parents live in buy if we don't act quickly we will all be poor when the UK goes bust.

    My fear is that the cuts are very unpopular and that labour will get voted back in next election and ruin things again.
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    My fear is that the cuts are very unpopular and that labour will get voted back in next election and ruin things again.
    And here we are. You on your side of the pond and us over here.

    Scary isn't it? Sensible people know what's right although there's different views on what it'll take to get the economy back on track. Only those with something to gain think increased government / government largess is the way to go.

    I'm tired of hearing the word 'fair' bandied about as if everyone should be saved from themselves. What happened to the merits of self reliance? Temporary help is good. Reliance on others cradle to grave is tantamount to theft.

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    I don't know if the US gov still does this but why does the UK gov still spend millions in foreign aid when where struggling so much? Also just pull troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq, who cares if those hell holes get worse?
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    Quote Originally Posted by adskibullus View Post
    I don't know if the US gov still does this but why does the UK gov still spend millions in foreign aid when where struggling so much? Also just pull troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq, who cares if those hell holes get worse?
    Foreign aid is often a cover for corporate welfare. Many of these aid packages must be used to purchase services from private corporations from the country providing aid.
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