1/09/2013 5:54pm, #1
Obama and Philip Gordon, please **** off!
Philip Gordon, the US Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs has today announced that it would not be in America's interest for the UK to leave the anti-democratic socialist super state of the EU.
Apparently this is because if a pro-free market and pro-US UK were to leave the EU the US would no longer be able to exercise influence over the EU.
Gordon even went so far as to say asking people if they wanted to be governed by anti-democratic foreign socialists was risking 'turning inward'
Philip and Barrack, until you start evangelising to the US electorate about how great it would be if your laws were made by Canadian and Mexican politicians, then please shut the **** up about the UK not wanting to be governed from socialist anti-democratic Europe.
The problem for America is that the anti-democrats of the EU hate America and it's pro-freedom, pro-democracy free market constitution and in their warped world view blame America for their own self-inflicted Euro crisis.
America's interests would be better served by vigorously lobbying national governments for the dissolution of the EU and scrapping of the Euro rather than by hoping that if Britain subsumes itself to the European superstate it will continue to fight America's corner, because if the EU anti-democrats win in Britain the people representing the UK in the EU will hate America as much as the current crop of Eurocrats.
Your biggest problem is no longer how you call Europe if the Soviet **** hits the fan, it's how you stop Europe from sliding even deeper into an ever worsening cycle of depression, socialist control of the economy and unemployment.
If you're a US citizen, please write to your congressman or other elected official to let them know that you don't think that the subsuming of UK democracy to the socialist EU super state would be in America's interest and that it would actually intensify EU hostility to America as your closest ally lost it's ability to fight for the same corner you occupy.
If you believe in Free people and Free markets the EU is the most dangerous enemy you have ever encountered and makes the Obama administration look like Regan. Help us fight them by undermining the likes of Gordon.
1/09/2013 5:57pm, #2
Are you starting to see why we don't like these clowns over here either?
1/09/2013 6:19pm, #3
why should the UK care about what is in *america's* interest?
since when is it within the duties of the POTUS to tell the UK how to handle their business? i'm confused as to why they had anything to say on the topic.
now, it is against my incredibly selfish interests for the UK to leave the EU, because as a UK citizen i currently have the option to live and work anywhere in the EU, and if the UK was to leave the EU that would limit my options (and i like options, they are nice.) that being said, i would never take the stance that the UK should take any action because it would be in *my* best interests, because that would be absurd."Face punches are an essential character building part of a martial art. You don't truly love your children unless you allow them to get punched in the face." - chi-conspiricy
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1/09/2013 6:56pm, #4
1/09/2013 8:57pm, #5
- Join Date
- Mar 2006
Sorry man. I voted against Barry Soto.
1/10/2013 6:28pm, #6
The answer is likely that the US bureaucracy likes dealing with other bureaucracies and the EU is the ultimate bureaucracy. Also the US state department has come to believe that the EU provides stability and to European markets and that Britain articulates American interests in the EU.
However, this view succumbs to the fundamental flaw that America has no ally in the EU save the UK and that it bizarrely views the EU's self-prophesied rise to global super power status as something other than a total delusion. The EU will never be a global super power, because it will collapse under the weight of it's own anti-democratic and economic contradictions and all Americas efforts to ensure 'their man' was at the heart of the project will prove not only for naught, but positively counter intuitive.
This is the minimum relationship the UK should aim for in the upcoming negotiations, doubtless our spineless politicians won't even try to achieve what we want, but there you have it.
The long game is getting Britain out and out we will go, it won't happen in this Parliament and it may not happen in the next.
However, like Scottish independence we will continue to chip away devolving more and more powers until we're so devolved we might as well be out, then people will vote for out and out we will go.
1/10/2013 6:45pm, #7
Worth remembering that thanks to the EU and the Euro; Eurzone unemployment is now at 12%, Greek unemployment is at a staggering 27% as is Spain.
Youth unemployment in the Eurozone is at an eye watering 24.5%, in Greece 57.6%, in Spain 56.5.
This means there are now more young people in Greece and Spain without a job than those with jobs.
Those kind of stats are horrifying and highlight the true human cost of the ideological mania of the Europhiles.
The peoples of Greece and Spain are being broken on the back of the Euro and 30-50*% unemployment rates are totally unsustainable. They're approaching Weimar Germany level unemployment and economic misery, all with the sole purpose of continuing the mad political project of saving the Euro at the expense of Europeans.
Eventually something will give and it will likely be the people of Southern Europe who will decide preserving the bonkers EU/Euro project isn't worth the abject pain and suffering being unnecessarily wrought upon them.
1/10/2013 6:49pm, #8
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1/10/2013 6:51pm, #9
The EU is like a swarm of mosquitos.
Mildly annoying until one learns to ignore them.
Thereafter, for all practical purposes nonexistent.
1/10/2013 7:45pm, #10
I see unemployment UK is around 8%, same as US average. Hawai'i is around 5%, but many people have to work two jobs. The state mandates benefits at 20 hours a week so Walmart and mom and pop outfits all hire people at 19 hours a week.
Capitalism sucks, socialism sucks, communism sucks, and the countries called communist and capitalist don't have much to do with the ideals of the economic philosophies. Communism was damned early on; Trotsky in 1924, "The revolution s over and we have lost." For that he got the ice pick treatment. And I hope some have noticed a few problems with the religion of free market capitalism in the US, rather so called capitalism - that 93% of gain from the "recovery" in the US went to the 1%, that there are more empty homes than homeless, wealth disparity and class mobility at all time highs and lows respectively.
So who is successful and why? Singapore has universal male draft, very low corruption and very friendly to business. Germany and Scandinavia seem to be doing fine, UK is obviously better off than the high corruption states like Greece.
You Brits can answer a question I have - Thatcher wanted home ownership so offered council housing for sale but many couldn't afford it so companies bought up real estate so now there is actually less control over rents and more suffer and the whole scheme back fired? Is that the case?"Preparing mentally, the most important thing is, if you aren't doing it for the love of it, then don't do it." - Benny Urquidez