12/28/2012 4:06pm, #11
On techniques to break grips without using two hands there are a number of resources out there such as Pedro's Grip like a World Champion and the Pedro/Ferguson DVD series that will have some solutions.
Two of the key elements as I see it are that getting to the grip becomes even more important than before and that with that people are going to be looking to bait the grip and then drop.
People are going to have to learn to use body movement and the gi to make up for only being able to use one hand, rolling the shoulder and moving the gi away from the grip in a way that enhances your grip break.
I can take a punt that as the Paris comp is the first event of the trial and it's a really important event for their national Judo squad that they want to be ahead of the curve for the new rules.
Why have they then applied it all the way down to a junior event where none of them will fight at Paris? Probably for the same reason US NGBs were giving Hansoku makes to six year olds when the leg grab rules were trialled. Because NGBs seem to be staffed with retards when it comes to proportionate introduction of new rules.
I think that's the most sensible thing to do, after Paris in Feb I think we'll have some clarity on what shape the new trial rules will take.
The BJA is actually not introducing any of the new rules during the trial period and will carry on as if nothing had happened. Do you know if the US organisations are going to implement any of the trial rules?
12/28/2012 4:17pm, #12
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12/28/2012 6:37pm, #13
I think the one judoka_UK describes would be legal, but who knows. I saw a video of Iliadis doing one that looked pretty good. But as strong as he is who knows if mere mortals can pull it off (argh).
This may well force people to start looking at ways to throw around grips instead of constantly cutting and regripping. There are several methods but they require damned good coordination and ability to shift position on the fly to keep control of uke.
BenFalling for Judo since 1980
12/28/2012 6:41pm, #14
If you get beat to the shoulder post you can try to reach inside and get a biceps grip on the other guy, but it will be tough.
A premium will be on getting the first grip for sure.Falling for Judo since 1980
12/28/2012 6:50pm, #15
12/28/2012 11:12pm, #16
The coach I emailed is the one running the March tournament. I figured his house, his rules.
12/29/2012 3:05pm, #17
12/30/2012 12:53am, #18
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Well I guess everyone in my club will have to experiment once practices start up again in about a week. Several members are going to be competing in the Midwest Collegiates, so we'll want to be prepared in case this rule is enforced.
12/30/2012 12:37pm, #19
Had a little think about a simple sequence I would teach if the new rules were introduced in the UK.
I've made the assumption that they will define 'breaking the grip with two hands' as some variation of one hand being on the wrist/arm and the other on the sleeve of that wrist/arm. i.e the classic two hand lapel grip break.
I also made the assumption that the situation is right on right with the conventional sleeve lapel grip.
The first step of the sequence would be to swim your left/sleeve hand in under uke's right armpit and secure a firm armpit grip on uke's jacket.
Step 2 is to break uke's sleeve grip on your right/lapel hand. I would do this via the classic 'Elbow show' but any standard one handed sleeve grip break will do
Raise your arm so you're showing uke your elbow.
Thumb to ear
Then forearm across your chest
Then sharply jerk it back and away from uke using the power of your rotating upper body to break the grip and create space between you and uke.
During this you should maintain your armpit grip with your left hand.
Step 3 you should then be broadly in this position, note tori doesn't quite have an armpit grip, but the photo is close enough.
You're now in a position to apply the standard 'one handed' kenka yotsu lapel grip break.
Whereby your grip your own lapel just below where uke is gripping then extend your arm own sharply outwards while you snap your shoulder forward and pull your own gi across your chest. Using your upper body movement to snap uke's grip off your lapel. If you're not familiar with this just ask your coach, they should know what to do.
This should leave you, left foot forward, with a good solid armpit grip with your left hand on your opponents jacket and your opponent with no grip anywhere on your jacket.
Not only will you have a grip and he have no grip, but you've also effectively got yourself to the first stage of the famous Pedro shoulder post sequence.
You now have control over uke's dominant shoulder and can hold them out with your left hand stopping them getting a good grip with their lapel hand and crucially controlling the inside space.
You can even catch uke's lapel arm as it comes over and he tries to re-establish his grip, given it's not a break, but a block this would be well within the new rules.
Controlling the inside space and forcing them to take the outside grip
You can then reach across with your lapel hand to secure your desired lapel grip
I'd be quite happy to fight double lapel from here, because I'm experienced using fighting up in the fat boys.
However, others may not be comfortable in which case it will be a simple matter to switch your left hand from an armpit/ lapel grip to a grip on uke's elbow or sleeve.
2/19/2013 5:05pm, #20
I attended the Pacific International in Richmond, BC this weekend. The head referee for Canada (Mr. Sunoda) gave a very good clinic on the new rules. Regarding two handed grip breaking, the only thing you need to know is that two hands means BOTH of your hands are physically grabbing uke arm/wrist/judogi on the same side. In other words, two on one is not allowed for grip breaking.
You can grab your own gi with one hand and uke gi/arm with the other and it's all good.
BenFalling for Judo since 1980