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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    You have to get his weight off.

    And chi won't do it.
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I second SLJ's suggestion. Extend your arms above your head while flopping your legs from side to side. Once your arms are fully extended, try and swing a leg around to hook inside your opponent's legs, and then replace guard. It's not great, but it's the best I've got. Looking forward to other suggestions...
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    Originally posted by Zeddy
    There is a reason to calling it a pin you know. ;)

    Seriously though, doing that has two failings I think:

    1) You're expending a lot of energy trying to lift someone's entire bodyweight off you using your arms only, and it probably won't work.

    2) Pushing up may be like giving him an invitation to armbar you.

    Edit: Should mention that I'm a newbie at doing this, the latter may not be entirely true. The former however I think sounds about right.
    I am sorry I should have been clearer. I meant pushing away your body and then standing up not like a push up. More like if you were pushing away from a wall.

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    Originally posted by SLJ
    You have to get his weight off.

    And chi won't do it.
    obviously you've never smelled a tai chi man's fart.

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    Theres a very easy escape from NS that requires no body mechanics.
    HE has NS, your paloms are on his hips, your elbopws near his shoulders but you cant budge him.
    You pop your right arm out the side, under his right armpit.
    He now has position where he could go for the twister(which he probably wont know)
    So his right elbow is on the mat by your right armpit.
    You walk your legs to your left, but you stay flat to the matt.
    Your right arm can now wrap around his right arm from the outside and you can crossface him.
    You now bridge and use the right arm to turn his head.
    He will be forced to go to his back or tap.
    I get this on huge guys all the time.All my students love it.
    Ive no idea why it isnt more popular.

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I do a short post on the hips, bridge to head, then a swivel of my hips to belly. I end up in a failed shot position but its better then being down.
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I like to push off of the hips and at the same time kick my hips and legs over his backs and get my hooks in, works like a charm, and if it fails I can always spin at get the guard.

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    Originally posted by Jenfucius
    obviously you've never smelled a tai chi man's fart.
    'tis the shi kung that does it. ;)

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    Originally posted by Yumi
    I am sorry I should have been clearer. I meant pushing away your body and then standing up not like a push up. More like if you were pushing away from a wall.
    I don't understand what you're getting at. If you mean kind of scooting sideways with your body, pushing with hands and legs... well, as far as I know that does nothing to prevent him from hanging on to you and dropping his entire weight onto your upper body.

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    Originally posted by Strong Machine
    Theres a very easy escape from NS that requires no body mechanics.
    HE has NS, your paloms are on his hips, your elbopws near his shoulders but you cant budge him.
    You pop your right arm out the side, under his right armpit.
    He now has position where he could go for the twister(which he probably wont know)
    So his right elbow is on the mat by your right armpit.
    You walk your legs to your left, but you stay flat to the matt.
    Your right arm can now wrap around his right arm from the outside and you can crossface him.
    You now bridge and use the right arm to turn his head.
    He will be forced to go to his back or tap.
    I get this on huge guys all the time.All my students love it.
    Ive no idea why it isnt more popular.
    This sounds pretty cool, but what keeps him from rotating with you when you walk your legs out to the left? If the top guy just goes with the rotation won't he maintain position?

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