A Prayer

**hungryjoe** · Posted On: 12/25/2012 9:00am

Originally Posted by adskibullus

And when I say health care I'm referring to free health care ie the NHS. I saw a documentary about Obama and his idea for health care and I couldn't believe how many people opposed it. One guy had cancer and had to sell his house to pay the medical bill making his family homeless yet call free health care " communist" in the UK it's illegal for a child to be homeless that's why we have social housing.

Off topic for sure, but please define "free".

and while you're at it

Please, as requested by IiF, provide info on above mentioned documentary.

***Tranquil Suit*** · Posted On: 12/25/2012 10:28am

You Americans need to take example from Canada. They're handling this gun situation much better.

**Vieux Normand** · Posted On: 12/25/2012 10:57am

Originally Posted by hungryjoe

Off topic for sure, but please define "free".

Everybody has the amount removed from their paycheques wit or without their consent.

Refusal to fork it over is called "tax-evasion" and armed individuals are sent to deal with such noncompliance.

You know this. It's called:

armed robbe...*ahem*...extortio...*ahem*..."government funding".

**mike321** · Posted On: 12/25/2012 12:29pm

Originally Posted by adskibullus

This all reeks of mass paranoia. When was the last time the US or UK had a tyrannical government? Not in your life time. The Germans are now nice friendly people if they were going to invade Europe they'd be doing it know when every country in Europe can't afford a decent military.

America seems like a paranoid country full of guns which is a bad mix.

And when I say health care I'm referring to free health care ie the NHS. I saw a documentary about Obama and his idea for health care and I couldn't believe how many people opposed it. One guy had cancer and had to sell his house to pay the medical bill making his family homeless yet call free health care " communist" in the UK it's illegal for a child to be homeless that's why we have social housing.

Europe has been surrounded and garrisoned since ww2 and is locked in treaties with either Russia or the US since ww2. The iron curtain was not just a power grab, it was also a huge buffer between Europe and Russia. NATO was a Cold War creature but ... It also kept US troops in Germany. Please do not lecture us on the "peacefulness" and "friendliness" of Europe. When Yugoslavia went crazy Europe did not keep the peace.

A man that would give up his house rather than take government money should be respected even if you don't agree with him.

Finally, people sometimes talk about the US like its a young country. Since the us civil war we have had a stable government. This puts us in a small group of countries with long term stability. We are certainly the largest stable country.

**Styygens** · Posted On: 12/25/2012 12:45pm

Originally Posted by adskibullus

This all reeks of mass paranoia.

You call it "paranoia." I call it "vigilance."

Originally Posted by adskibullus

When was the last time the US or UK had a tyrannical government? Not in your life time. The Germans are now nice friendly people if they were going to invade Europe they'd be doing it know when every country in Europe can't afford a decent military.

Thank goodness neither country has had a tyrannical government within my lifetime. I aim to keep it that way -- at least in regards to my country. When the tyrants do show up (and if history is any indication, they will) it will be too late to say, "We'd like our guns back, pretty please." Just because it doesn't look likely today doesn't mean it couldn't happen "next week" or "next year."

**adskibullus** · Posted On: 12/25/2012 12:50pm

Originally Posted by hungryjoe

Off topic for sure, but please define "free".

and while you're at it

Please, as requested by IiF, provide info on above mentioned documentary.

I can't remember the name of the documentary it was a BBC one on before the election about Obama's time in office. Ill look for the name of it when I less busy stuffing my face with turkey.

ok it's not free because you pay for it from a small part of the tax we pay. The interview asked the guy if he would like to adopt the UK system ( NHS) where out of you're tax (20% of wages) and national insurance of which I pay £2.50 a week as I'm self employed, you pay nothing else for you're health care apart from £6.50 for any medicine you need unless its a life long illness like diabetes etc then it's free.

the documentary then went on to show the tent towns where family's are so poor that they have to live in tents even children.

**adskibullus** · Posted On: 12/25/2012 12:53pm

My cousin served in Kosovo peace keeping when Yugoslavia broke up so yes they did intervene.

**adskibullus** · Posted On: 12/25/2012 12:54pm

It's never going to happen again never stop playing call of duty the big bad Russians aren't coming to get you

**mike321** · Posted On: 12/25/2012 2:17pm

Originally Posted by adskibullus

My cousin served in Kosovo peace keeping when Yugoslavia broke up so yes they did intervene.

The US helped and should not have been needed.

**mike321** · Posted On: 12/25/2012 2:19pm

Originally Posted by adskibullus

It's never going to happen again never stop playing call of duty the big bad Russians aren't coming to get you

The US military is incredibly powerful. The wealth of the US may increase dramatically in the next 100 years. We respect out military personnel; but wealth and power does not guarantee freedom inside the country. We are not worried about the Russians.