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    I remember these words when they armed pilots and flight attendants after 9/11.

    Also, that's not all that surfaced. A police chief has suggested hiring retired cops or current officers looking for extra funds.
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    Arming teachers seems a bad idea. But a cop or pro security guard could go a long way.
    Another idea floating around facebook, tonight, suggests that unemployed vets would be a good fit.

    Part of me is like, "hell, yeah!"

    But, then I sarcastically think "overworked cops, old guys, and ex-jarheads that can't get a job - yeah, that's who I want protecting my kids." No disrespect to any of those guys, but, seriously, if we're going to go down this road, let's not be half-assed about it. All primary education institutions should be protected by SEALs, Delta Force, or other advanced operators.

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    He's fond of promoting it, and I've read it. I'm not convinced he's a loner, rather than a team, but I support his efforts to date.
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    Another idea floating around facebook, tonight, suggests that unemployed vets would be a good fit.

    Part of me is like, "hell, yeah!"

    But, then I sarcastically think "overworked cops, old guys, and ex-jarheads that can't get a job - yeah, that's who I want protecting my kids." No disrespect to any of those guys, but, seriously, if we're going to go down this road, let's not be half-assed about it. All primary education institutions should be protected by SEALs, Delta Force, or other advanced operators.



    He's fond of promoting it, and I've read it. I'm not convinced he's a loner, rather than a team, but I support his efforts to date.
    This is funny. If you've been to a club, university, community college or court you've been around what scares you.
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    Truthfully, you don't want a bunch of Marines guarding schools. Without digging it up to verify it - it seems like they tried having Marines ride shotgun with cops after the Rodney King riots. If I remember correctly there was one incident where a cop asked his Marine counterparts to cover him as he approached a house with a gunman and they proceeded to launch a 203 through the guy's fucking window. lol

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    Truthfully, you don't want a bunch of Marines guarding schools.
    Truthfully, I'd take that over private school tuition.
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    Marines would be more appropriate to "liaise" with the Westboro folks.
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    This is funny. If you've been to a club, university, community college or court you've been around what scares you.
    This comment is beneath you. That is all.
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    This comment is beneath you. That is all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeilG View Post
    Do you not have publication bans on certain court information already? In Canada young offenders names are protected. Also in the case of child abuse the offenders name is not published if it would identify the victim.
    We do have some restrictions, but they are *much* more limited than in the UK or Canada, due to the freedom of the press guarantee in the First Amendment to our Constitution. Adult offenders' names are available in pretty much every case, leaving aside national security cases heard by special courts. Juvenile court proceedings are sometimes public and sometimes not, largely at the discretion of the presiding judge. When they are public, the offender's name can be published, though many news media outlets won't in many cases. The link is to statements from several journalists saying what their (surprisingly varied) policies about publishing juveniles' names in connection with court cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    Also, that's not all that surfaced. A police chief has suggested hiring retired cops or current officers looking for extra funds.
    Single point entry, plus a police officer does seem like the option most likely to increase safety at schools. Arming teachers seems like a bad idea. The large majority of teachers don't have anything like the training to make it prudent to expect them to win a shootout. Even with the training that they would no doubt be given, what evidence is there that having frightened amateurs attempting to join an attacker in a gun fight would make students safer?

    The "arm the teachers" proponents also need to take into account that a majority of Americans choose not to own guns, and it isn't at all clear why anyone should think that teachers in general want to carry firearms. No doubt it varies a lot by region and other factors, but most of the grade school teachers near my home seem to be very anti-gun.

    Further, the chance that large numbers of guns in the schools not in the control of trained, experienced professionals will lead to accidental shootings, gun thefts by students, use of the guns by teachers in confrontations with students, or other problems has to be taken into account. And as Arthur L. Kellermann (M.D., M.P.H.), et al., found in their study, "Injuries and Deaths Due to Firearms in the Home," published in the Journal of Trauma 45 (1998): 263-267, in their sample set, among people who injured or killed someone with a gun that they kept in their home, 48% of the shootings were attempted or successful suicides, 30% were homicides, attempted homicides, or assaults with a deadly weapon, 18% were accidental shootings, and 4% were self-defense or justifiable homicides or attempted homicides. Now, teachers may be more responsible than the average gun owner (or may not be), but what data I can find does not encourage me that putting more guns into schools would make them any safer.
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    . And as Arthur L. Kellermann (M.D., M.P.H.), et al., found in their study, "Injuries and Deaths Due to Firearms in the Home," published in the Journal of Trauma 45 (1998): 263-267, in their sample set, among people who injured or killed someone with a gun that they kept in their home, 48% of the shootings were attempted or successful suicides, 30% were homicides, attempted homicides, or assaults with a deadly weapon, 18% were accidental shootings, and 4% were self-defense or justifiable homicides or attempted homicides. Now, teachers may be more responsible than the average gun owner (or may not be), but what data I can find does not encourage me that putting more guns into schools would make them any safer.
    From the data you provided, it is clear that gun ownership is doing more bad than good (suicides,homicides accidents etc.) only 4%!!!!!! is doing what they were intended for...I think that if someone isn't willing to bar his windows and install a safe door, he shouldn't be able to but a gun for self defense...that is just stupid.
    Another thing, people here think that more guns on the streets can prevent killings etc. What are the actual stats about crimes being prevented by armed by passers? Is it a real claim?

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