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    Bah, adding that one last weapon but taking away more than half of the other weapons isn't exactly an improvement.

    But thx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bling Bling View Post
    Oh absolutely.


    Offtopic, can you imagine how much more aweome MMA would be with headbutts? I long for that day.
    Just in case you're not kidding, you really don't want those to return. 1 headbutt = facial cut = match ended by boring TKO by ringside doctor without the victor having done any real fight-ending damage to his opponent.

    There were some pretty glorious headbutts in olden tyme UFC, though. I couldn't find the clip, but I especially remember that time a wrestler chap in American Flag trunks murdered his grappling-challenged opponent with six or seven unanswered headbutts from mount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawarma View Post
    Just in case you're not kidding, you really don't want those to return. 1 headbutt = facial cut = match ended by boring TKO by ringside doctor without the victor having done any real fight-ending damage to his opponent.
    I'm not kidding. I also KNOW that 1 headbutt =/= facial cut. Elbows cut way more, but they are allowed no problem.

    I know that what you say is also the reason UFC gave when they banned it. But let's be real here, it's cause they look so effing STREET THUG VIOLENT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Permalost View Post
    I like headbutts, but I understand that they're not a magic tool compared to other striking tools.
    If they were, Bernard Hopkins would have been Ray Robinson, Rocky Marciano, and Earnie Shavers all rolled into one.

    Also,

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    I like headbutts
    Thanks, now I have Sir Mix-A-Lot running through my head.

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    I'll give him props for exploring the HKE options as low commitment / training time techniques that deliver a lot of hurt on target that can be used even by the weak or infirm.

    Also, for the hair. Love the hair. I haven't seen a rocker mullet that majestic since Metalica cut their locks. It's beautiful. Feathered, regal, deadly. Like a mighty eagle poised to take flight. Noice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Permalost View Post
    -the way he cocks back his head before assaulting that melon is pretty much not how you want to start a headbutt. If someone rocks back like that at me they're getting hit or shoved in their compromised position, or they're gonna end up crashing their face on my hairline when their cue makes me tuck my chin.
    The irony is he doesn't teach headbutting the same way he squashed the melon.

    Don't ask me why. I don't know. Ok, I know, but it's already been said in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Permalost View Post
    Yes, headbutts can certainly end fights. I recall an old NHB fight ending when a guy in top mount pinned down the other guy's hands and headbutted his way to victory. My objection is how Vunak emphasizes, complete with dramatic pauses and intense glares, that a headbutt is something you don't recover from etc etc. It doesn't always end fights. Hell, I'd say it usually doesn't work like an off switch unless done without warning before a fight starts.

    I like headbutts, but I understand that they're not a magic tool compared to other striking tools.
    He's selling a product to a specific audience to make lots of money he can burn on a specific product, and he has always been a masterful salesman.

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    That doesn't sound very... ethical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bling Bling View Post
    That doesn't sound very... ethical.
    I can't believe you're this naive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DerAuslander View Post
    The irony is he doesn't teach headbutting the same way he squashed the melon.
    I figured as much, what with the JKD and all.

    Don't ask me why. I don't know. Ok, I know, but it's already been said in this thread.
    Because the undercover lizard men have slower reaction times but take more impact to incapacitate?

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