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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrapper View Post
    I get 60% average deviation when ranking murder vs poverty and a 90% average deviation when I do murder v Urbanization.

    Something is missing...
    I have a possibly false recollection that murderers tend to be above-average intelligence. Can you cross-ref with education level?
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    you are thinking of serial killers. But i can try. this stuff takes a long time to dig up though, so bear with me.

    or help...
    And lo, Kano looked down upon the field and saw the multitudes. Amongst them were the disciples of Uesheba who were greatly vexed at his sayings. And Kano spake: "Do not be concerned with the mote in thy neighbor's eye, when verily thou hast a massive stick in thine ass".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrapper View Post
    you are thinking of serial killers. But i can try. this stuff takes a long time to dig up though, so bear with me.

    or help...
    Ah, yes. Still, won't hurt to try:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ion_attainment
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    Some of my formulas were screwed up previously, here is the gist:

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    And lo, Kano looked down upon the field and saw the multitudes. Amongst them were the disciples of Uesheba who were greatly vexed at his sayings. And Kano spake: "Do not be concerned with the mote in thy neighbor's eye, when verily thou hast a massive stick in thine ass".

    --Scrolls of Bujutsu: Chapter 5 vs 10-14.
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    I didn't go to the spreadsheets, but I didn't see any immediate correlation between murder and either population density or education - so far, poverty is our best predictor.

    I wonder if the trying to correlate the type of murder (murder 1, murder2, manslaughter, etc.) or "reason," for murder (crime of passion, financial gain, depression, etc.) would have a discernible demographic or geographic dimension... I'll try to find some stats along these lines to play with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jk55299 View Post
    I think serial killers tend to be perceived as having a higher IQ because they usually are able to conceal their crimes by having no connection to the victim. So they seem more clever because they are able to elude the police
    Just to nail this coffin:
    http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Seria...iller%20IQ.htm

    FBI expanded offense data for Homicides (all sorts of nifties, here): http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...d-offense-data
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    Quote Originally Posted by jk55299 View Post
    I think serial killers tend to be perceived as having a higher IQ because they usually are able to conceal their crimes by having no connection to the victim. So they seem more clever because they are able to elude the police
    "Serial" killings have nothing to do with intelligence, concealing the crimes, or having connection to victims.

    Serial killings are recurring murders that are unique events, as opposed to a single event.

    If you kill ten people at a party, you are a mass murderer.

    If you kill 1 person a day for 10 days, you are a serial killer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doofaloofa View Post
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    take out DC and every thing will look a lot rosier
    I've been saying that for years.

    Oh, you were talking crime stats.
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    Going over the data, the general trend is:

    "If you have low poverty AND low urbanization, you are likely to have low murder rates."

    individually, low poverty or low urbanization are not that strongly correlated, but when both are present, it almost always means low murder rate.

    That seems to be a big part of it, anyway.
    And lo, Kano looked down upon the field and saw the multitudes. Amongst them were the disciples of Uesheba who were greatly vexed at his sayings. And Kano spake: "Do not be concerned with the mote in thy neighbor's eye, when verily thou hast a massive stick in thine ass".

    --Scrolls of Bujutsu: Chapter 5 vs 10-14.
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    Thanks for posting this. I haven't had time to crunch the numbers, but doesn't it look as if the US has more murders just from people killing each other with their bare hands than many other countries in our peer group's overall murder rate?
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