Firearm and crime stats from the FBI.

[Scrapper]

There is a discrepancy between the FBI data and the Louisiana uniform crime rates published by Louisiana law enforcement for 2010.
FBI has 437 murders, LLE has 500.

2010 was a low year for Louisiana, they are typically in the 12-17 range

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/lacrime.htm

The discrepancy may be because the LLEO report came out earlier, and some of the "murders" may have been overturned between the LLEO report and the FBI.

[Devil]

I am watching College football and this idiot kills himself, his girlfriend and all of these DUMABASS football pundits, specifically Jason Whitlock and the dumass Bob Costas, talk trash about gun culture.

Yeah. Listening to Bob Costas talk about guns is almost as annoying as listening to Al Michaels talk about football. His stupid fucking pronunciation of every word ending in "all" ruins my football experience almost as much as the hot pink destruction of every NFL team's carefully crafted color scheme.

Welker didn't have control of the bawel. That was clearly a blown cawell by the refs. Smawell errors like that can cost a team a much needed victory and keep them from reaching the playoffs at awell.

I sure do miss me some Madden.

I'm sorry. We were talking about guns. Guns good. Gun haters bad.

[W. Rabbit]

Louisiana has always been a toxic gutter of a state. The problem with looking at the District of Columbia as an example is that it is essentially one city. I am sure if you looked at just Detroit, or just St Louis those would be worse.

The stats posted are largely determined by crime in the urban centers of the respective states, so for example, most of Michigan's crimes come from Detroit.

When I read that state ranking I see "DC, New Orleans, Baltimore, Kansas City...".

Note that although NJ has two of the murder capitals of the US (Newark and Camden), we're in the middle of the list because we also have a very high population density throughout the state and relatively few gun crimes outside the cities (as opposed to say Michigan, which is not nearly as evenly populated and whose major cities are rife with crime and poverty).

New Hampshire and Vermont are so sparsely populated, even in their major cities, that they made the bottom. That, and everyone I know in both states has a small arsenal to deter criminals.

[Scrapper]

Poverty rates, by state in 2010...



Rank State Poverty Rate People in Poverty
(by Household Income) by Household Income
(in thousands)
- United States 12.60% 45,950
1 New Hampshire 5.60% 73
2 New Jersey 6.80% 592
3 Vermont 7.60% 47
4 Minnesota 8.10% 412
5 Hawaii 8.60% 110
6 Delaware 9.20% 78
7 Utah 9.20% 231
8 Virginia 9.20% 684
9 Connecticut 9.70% 326
10 Nebraska 9.50% 167
11 Maryland 9.70% 542
12 Idaho 9.90% 143
13 Alaska 10.00% 66
14 Massachusetts 10.10% 641
15 Washington 10.20% 636
16 Wisconsin 10.20% 553
17 Nevada 10.60% 260
18 Wyoming 10.60% 54
19 Florida 11.10% 2,250
20 North Dakota 11.20% 70
21 Pennsylvania 11.20% 1,372
22 Iowa 11.30% 327
23 Colorado 11.40% 530
24 Illinois 11.50% 1,441
25 Missouri 11.60% 659
26 South Dakota 11.80% 90
27 Michigan 12.00% 1,196
28 Oregon 12.00% 436
29 Rhode Island 12.10% 127
30 Ohio 12.30% 1,392
31 Kansas 12.50% 337
32 Indiana 12.60% 774
33 Maine 12.60% 166
34 North Carolina 13.10% 1,115
35 California 13.20% 4,716
36 Montana 13.80% 128
37 Georgia 14.40% 1,298
38 New York 14.50% 2,760
39 Kentucky 14.80% 599
40 Tennessee 15.00% 872
41 South Carolina 15.00% 626
42 Arizona 15.20% 917
43 West Virginia 15.40% 276
44 Oklahoma 15.60% 543
45 Arkansas 15.90% 509
46 Texas 16.20% 3,681
47 Alabama 16.70% 750
48 New Mexico 17.90% 347
49 Louisiana 18.30% 748
50 Mississippi 20.10% 571
51 District of Columbia 2.70% 15

[Scrapper]

Gonna compare murder rate to poverty rate...

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Urbanization next:

[Scrapper]

I get 60% average deviation when ranking murder vs poverty and a 90% average deviation when I do murder v Urbanization.

Something is missing...

[NeilG]

Quite thorough homicide stats for Canada can be found here.

Looking at the most recent data, 2010:

Overall homicide rate was 1/3 of the US (1.62/100K vs 4.8)

31% of homicides were by firearm, knife 30%, beatings 21%. 64% of firearm homicides were by handgun, 23% by rifle/shotgun, 13% by other.

There's a bunch of other stats about rates related to gang activity, various relationships. Makes for an interesting read.

[Scrapper]

There is a decent correlation between murder and poverty for the 10 best states (they have low murder and low poverty) but it gets weird after that.

Can't seem to hunt down good numbers on drug convictions by state, might be a correlation there.

This s why I hate people who take simplistic views on either side. This is a ridiculously complicated issue!