Firearm and crime stats from the FBI.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 12/04/2012 7:19pm

Originally Posted by Scrapper

Statistically, it would appear that tough/lenient gun laws are somewhat tertiary considerations to population density and poverty as predictors of murder rates.

Oh I agree, but it is still funny to throw out when someone says OMG ban ban ban ban ban..

**thrutch** · Posted On: 12/04/2012 7:31pm

The toxins figure is the shocker for me. Roughly speaking twice as many people are killed by poisoning than by firearms - 1 in 42 deaths or thereabouts. Holy ****.

Forget buying guns for self defence, if you lot really want to look after yourselves you need to start buying these:

**ChuckWepner** · Posted On: 12/04/2012 7:49pm

Originally Posted by It is Fake

Trust me us gun lovers ENJOY that contradiction.

Thanks Scrapper, you curtailed most of my rant bitching about my ruined Saturday, Sunday, and Monday Night Football watching. I am watching College football and this idiot kills himself, his girlfriend and all of these DUMABASS football pundits, specifically Jason Whitlock and the dumass Bob Costas, talk trash about gun culture. Anyway, the typical "arrggggh we live in a time of gun culture," "arrrgggh if we didn't have guns everyone would live blah blah blah." Fuckers ruining my football weekend.

They've been blaming Katrina for the skewed numbers.

Are you channeling Mike Huckabee, IiF? ;)

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 12/04/2012 8:11pm

That's what I hear every time people can't build a logical argument. It is funny because I agree with quite a few things anti-gun people suggest. They can never do it in an eloquent fashion and ALWAYS go overboard.

Gun Culture? Really? Rap, Video Games, comics all made us evil gun nuts?

Here are the shows that I bring up, when people talk about violence being new:
Gunsmoke (1955–1975)
The Rifleman (TV Series 1958–1963)
Bonanza (TV Series 1959–1973)
The Lone Ranger (TV Series 1949–1957)
Rawhide (TV Series 1959–1965)
The Cisco Kid (TV Series 1950–1956)
Have Gun - Will Travel (TV Series 1957–1963)

Many of these shows were KID SHOWS. KID SHOWS. Hell, lets not talk about all the War Propaganda based movies.

Gun Culture started in the fifties, don't give me that "gun culture" bullshit. This country's TV beginnings reinforced solving **** with guns.

Yes, I know there were shows like Dick Van Dyke, Andy Griffith, and others that eschew violence. Same thing can be said now.

**ChuckWepner** · Posted On: 12/04/2012 8:29pm

I hear you. It's just that Huckabee made the same complaint about Costas messing up his football with his sanctimonious crap (and no, I don't listen to Huckabee).

Now that you mention it, there were a lot of war movies, westerns, and violent historical pictures in the 50s, too. Not to mention cartoons. And kids played with toy guns a lot more often. Even when I was a kid, in the late 60s and 70s, we always had cap guns and toy machine guns.

Do you notice one major difference between the stars of the "gun culture" of the 50s and 60s and of today that might explain why the Bob Costas-types are more aware of the danger? Hmm.

**goodlun** · Posted On: 12/04/2012 8:43pm

Originally Posted by ChuckWepner

And kids played with toy guns a lot more often. Even when I was a kid, in the late 60s and 70s, we always had cap guns and toy machine guns.

**** and our toy guns looked like real guns. I had an Airsoft gun going way back that you actually put the pellets into a casing and when it shot the casing got ejected.

**W. Rabbit** · Posted On: 12/04/2012 11:40pm

Originally Posted by Scrapper

population density and poverty ... predictors of murder rates.

Yep, that's DC.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 12/04/2012 11:48pm

Originally Posted by ChuckWepner

Do you notice one major difference between the stars of the "gun culture" of the 50s and 60s and of today that might explain why the Bob Costas-types are more aware of the danger? Hmm.

Minorities.......

**submessenger** · Posted On: 12/05/2012 8:15am

Originally Posted by It is Fake

They've been blaming Katrina for the skewed numbers.

"They," may be blaming Katrina, but the numbers suggest "they," should be thanking Katrina.

The overall murder rate (I think Scrapper's numbers are firearm-only) in Louisiana averages 12/100000 for the years 1998-2011; 2005 (year of Katrina) is an outlier, the only time since 1969 murder has dipped below the 10/100000 mark.

To be fair, 2007 is another outlier, presumably in which returning murderers play catch-up, the rate hitting above 14/100000.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/lacrime.htm