Would You Train Somewhere Gang-Affiliated?

[marcwagz]

There was no way in hell we were going to let that whore become a SAMCRO bitch.

i guess its better than the "the popo killed my pops cause he wasnt white enough" i expected

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This school may be OP's only chance to learn the traditional "Primary Chain Kata"

DBMA does chain fights; I've seen a few:

[goodlun]

DBMA does chain fights; I've seen a few:

How does getting hit with a chain compare to being hit with a stick?
Also see anyone get choked out with a chain?

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How does getting hit with a chain compare to being hit with a stick?

I haven't done any of these fights myself (cause who trains to fight with chains?) but I'd say that the stick is worse. The chain's energy is divided between damage, warping itself to the shape of the target, and the noise it makes when it hits. The stick is mostly damage and doesn't conform to its target. I got the feeling that only a really heavy chain would be a decent weapon (unless used as a garrote).

Also see anyone get choked out with a chain?

No, but I've seen someone wrap their fist really quick and punch the other guy in the mask.

[Mr. Machette]

DBMA does chain fights; I've seen a few:
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g3...57287012_n.jpg

Those guys are crazy...

No, but I've seen someone wrap their fist really quick and punch the other guy in the mask.

...crazy GENIUS!!!!!

Attending a gathering is now officialy on my bucket list!

[PDA]

Maybe their self-description on their web site will make you feel better???

No, Didnt help. I dont believe it.

[Sri Hanuman]

Boxers? Lol, so they want to limit the strikes to just hands. I see, making it as easy as possible on themselves. I mean seriously? I will fly to Australia just so I can hit a jumping side-kick to an Aikidoka's knee.

[judokarl]

So I was just looking at MMA gyms around and came across this one, one of the only ones around, and was interested till I saw "Proud Sponsor of the hell's Angels biker club"
does this actually attract people to their club?
Not only am I morally opposed to Hell, I as an informed citizen know that the Hells angels are in fact involved in organized crime despite what they say.

That would look horrible on a police application. Yeah I train on the weekends with some hells angels. Unless they want some undercover or something. But even ignoring that I am morally opposed to organized crime, murder, drugs and all that stuff.
And personally I think harleys are loud and annoying but thats neither here nor there.

would you join a club that so obviously sponsored a criminal organization?

I definably would not attend a Dojo or club with any gang affiliation. Mostly for the same reasons the majority of people here replied with and yours. I am in college for Criminal Justice with a Concentration in Homeland Security so having any gang affiliation would probably screw me over somewhere down the line. Hell, The CIA just recently started giving Gay men security clearance, now that that's no longer a barrier for me I would be dammed if I let as something as simple as where I trained ruin my goal now.

[goodlun]

I haven't done any of these fights myself (cause who trains to fight with chains?) but I'd say that the stick is worse. The chain's energy is divided between damage, warping itself to the shape of the target, and the noise it makes when it hits. The stick is mostly damage and doesn't conform to its target. I got the feeling that only a really heavy chain would be a decent weapon (unless used as a garrote).



No, but I've seen someone wrap their fist really quick and punch the other guy in the mask.

Wait a second I checked my ultimate source on all things Martial Arts
GURPS Martial Arts 4th ed.
It makes no mention of Dog Brother's using chains



under ESCRIMA 4 points

Breakaway schools – famously, Dog Brothers Martial
Arts in the U.S. – add ground techniques from Brazilian Jiujitsu,
as well as additional locks and holds. Such schools
teach attacks off standing grapples. One such tactic is to
parry and Slip to close with the opponent, and then grapple
him and seek a stick-assisted Choke Hold. Schools like this
add Wrestling, Ground Fighting (Wrestling), and Ground
Fighting (Smallsword). Style cost becomes 5 points.

These skills are added to

Skills: Karate; Main-Gauche; Smallsword.
Techniques: Aggressive Parry (Karate); Arm Lock
(Smallsword); Armed Grapple (Smallsword); Choke Hold
(Smallsword); Disarming (Smallsword); Elbow Strike; Feint
(Main-Gauche or Smallsword); Knee Strike; Targeted Attack
(Main-Gauche Swing/Arm); Targeted Attack (Main-Gauche
Swing/Hand); Targeted Attack (Smallsword Swing/Arm);
Targeted Attack (Smallsword Swing/Hand).

Don't let the word Karate throw you

Karate
DX/Hard
Defaults: None.
This skill represents any advanced
training at unarmed striking, not just
the Okinawan martial art of karate.
Roll against Karate to hit with a
punch (at no -4 for the “off” hand), or
Karate-2 to hit with a kick. You cannot
use Karate to attack with claws, teeth,
etc., or with a blackjack – use
Brawling (p. 182) for that. Karate skill
does let you make several special
attacks, however; see Special Unarmed
Combat Techniques (p. 403).
Karate improves damage: if you
know Karate at DX level, add +1 per
die to basic thrust damage when you
calculate damage with Karate attacks:
punches, kicks, elbow strikes, etc. Add
+2 per die if you know Karate at DX+1
or better! Work out damage ahead of
time and record it on your character
sheet.
Karate allows you to parry two different
attacks per turn, one with each
hand. Your Parry score is (skill/2) + 3,
rounded down. This parry is not at the
usual -3 for parrying a weapon barehanded,
greatly reducing the likelihood
of injury when you defend
against an armed foe. In addition,
Karate gives an improved retreating
bonus when you parry; see Retreat
(p. 377). For more on parrying barehanded,
see Parrying Unarmed (p. 376).
To use Karate, any hand with
which you wish to strike or parry must
be empty (but you are free to wear
heavy gauntlets, brass knuckles, etc. to
increase damage). Because Karate
relies heavily on footwork, all Karate
attacks and parries take a penalty
equal to your encumbrance level. For
instance, Heavy encumbrance would
give you -3 to hit or to parry an enemy
attack.

Small Sword

[Smallsword (DX/Average): Any
short (up to 1 yard), light thrusting
sword or one-handed short staff (such
as the sticks used in the martial arts
arnis, escrima, and kali). Default:
Shortsword-4.

[erezb]

Ersatzb, I believe Woody Allen identified biker gangs that might be of interest to you, among them the Mazel Tovs and the Hell's Bagels, who secretly control the world supply of gefilte-fish.

Meanwhile, too lazy to wade through this wonderful thread, I must ask if some are really proposing to choose where they might train based on the relative moral standings of the clubs, rather than where the most capable fighters would be training.

Yeah, I'll train with Dillman. Unlike that total reprobate Mas Oyama, Dillman's never been a Yakuza enforcer...

Vold nimrod: why secretly? oh and we had some famous Jewish thugs, don't you watch boardwalk empire at work?
Oh and you never answered my question...