Would You Train Somewhere Gang-Affiliated?

[goodlun]

LOL LOL LOL LOL. Fixed.

You are quite correct I should have said average cop.

[Middlefinger]

So yes it is implied that your so fucking daft as to think that the actions of the Hell's Angel doesn't effect society at large.

Implied = goodlun making **** up.

Let's look at what I said again:

I'll take people who don't **** with the average citizen over cops, thanks.

Biker gangs producing and distributing meth never did anyone wrong amirite? Never bothered a soul.

Yeah, cuz the average citizen is a methamphetamine dealer.

"**** with" meaning direct harassment. I'm not arguing the morality of drug peddling. That's a red herring introduced by boby.

[It is Fake]

You have to remember, some people lose it when you mention cops in a negative fashion.

[W. Rabbit]

You have stats to back that up?

Better, I have video.

[Middlefinger]

You have to remember, some people lose it when you mention cops in a negative fashion.

Yeah, I know. Goodlun strikes me as the type of guy who wears t-shirts with slogans like "Freedom isn't free" on them.

[It is Fake]

Since you guys are being pedantic, it is now my turn.
You said common, he said stats, a video only represents a "way" not necessarily "common."

You brought up logical fallacies and you KNOW how I am. Yes, your video is one.

[goodlun]

"**** with" meaning direct harassment. I'm not arguing the morality of drug peddling. That's a red herring introduced by boby.

You are arguing the morality of drug peddling by saying that they are superior to cops.
I find it interesting as I have had numerous run ins with the cops (I like to set off bank alarms in the middle of the night) I have yet had one "harass" me, and the vast majority have been professional and polite. Not bad when you consider the crap that they do put up with all the time.
Hell I even recently got popped doing 90 in a 55 zone. Cop was plenty polite gave me no grief, even wrote the ticket up for lesser 0-15 mph over the speed limit ticket.

[W. Rabbit]

Since you guys are being pedantic, it is now my turn.
You said common, he said stats, a video only represents a "way" not necessarily "common."

You brought up logical fallacies and you KNOW how I am. Yes, your video is one.

Damn.

My point was that the average person does not sell or use crank. So they will never encounter a Hell's Angel.

This is still a logical fallacy, since you're implying encountering Hell's Angels means you're doing something illegal.

But average people run into HMAC all the time on the open highway.

My video, while not statistics (look to FBI and CHP for those), was to illustrate that a common place to run into outlaw motorcycle clubs is on the road, where they drive in hordes and (pretty obviously from the video) care little about traffic laws or the safety of motorists.

[bobyclumsyninja]

I'll take people who don't **** with the average citizen over cops, thanks.

In your mind, cops are more likely to "mess" with someone, than biker gangs?

In what way? Sure, the likelyhood of a cop ticketing or detaining someone massively outweighs the odds of bikers doing it b/c it's the cops's job, and it would be extortion or kidnapping for a gang to do so.


The crank epidemic that's gutting the American heartland is largely thanks to the HA's efforts/actions. Hell, meth got its nickname from their stash spot, on their bikes.

Call me old fashioned, but I like law and order, and the cops I disdain are the one's not doing their jobs (mostly).

That wild west thing, isn't better for your average resident. Well adjusted adults like a peaceful society. LE contributes to this ideal, and biker gangs don't really.

Gangs don't have moral standing over LE. This, in spite of corruption.

[Middlefinger]

Sure, the likelyhood of a cop ticketing or detaining someone massively outweighs the odds of bikers doing it b/c it's the cops's job, and it would be extortion or kidnapping for a gang to do so.

You seriously don't see the bullshit in that? LOL!!