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    Quick, what's the Japanese for "knocked up"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn View Post
    The resemblance of the sounds made in UK Gendai "Ju Jitsu" to the Japanese language is extremely limited.

    The bulk of the non-Judo 'Japanese' of the Jitsu Foundation, which is the largest single organisation in the BJJAGB, isn't historical passing-down but English terms badly translated in recent years to sound more martial artsy.
    Why worry? Those Liverpool guys could fight.
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    I'm happy learning Trad JJ in English. I've never been to Japan-Okinawa, well not yet but my thinking has been that if I were lost in Downtown Tokyo, I would be better off knowing enough Japanese to ask for directions, Hotel, Bus, Food etc. Knowing a Shoulder Throw, Left Side, Right Side, would hardly allow that.

    The merit in learning the terminology in Japanese would allow someone to travel between different Countries with a common frame of reference. That said, if I understand things correctly, the Japanese no longer "own" Judo. English is now widely spoken around the world (Thank God) so an English-speaker is able to get around more easily than prior to, say, WWII.

    Gunji Koizumi spoke English, as did Kano, who apparently wrote his ideas in English (making it difficult for Japanese to understand his thinking?).

    To learn the language, one should also to understand the culture, otherwise context is lost. That all said, one of my friends Judo/Trad JJ Black Belt does speak Japanese and two more of my Trad JJ friends currently learning it.
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    Seems like people like to use their local tongue are trying to avoid being tedious, but it sometimes seems more tedious to come up with comparable word phrases for words like "kuzushi" and "maai". Can they be pared down to a smaller number of syllables in English? Probably not.
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    You know... it really pisses me off that my daughter is learning all that French in ballet class!

    Why can't they speak like good 'muricans?
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    Quote Originally Posted by W. Rabbit View Post
    Quick, what's the Japanese for "knocked up"?

    "Haramu" means to become pregnant.

    I'm a big proponent of the use of Japanese, at least in Judo. It standardizes things and gives everyone a common vocabulary. I hate the use of bastardized Japanese, though.
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    You know... it really pisses me off that my daughter is learning all that French in ballet class!

    Why can't they speak like good 'muricans?
    Yeah, why can't they stop calling it "fouette" and just simply call it "outward turning single leg extension with 360 degree body turn as foot pulls underneath"!?!?
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    My Norwegian is terrible at best, Swedish while similar is not the same and it adds a level of complexity to things. Rather than my learning "back carry throw" in the language of every place I visit, I can just learn "seoi nage". I have played judo with people from five continents. Rather than all of us learning every single language, we have learned the lingua franca of the sport.

    If you have no desire to travel, compete or have foreign players visit then there is no need to learn Japanese, but for those of us who do, it is a tremendous help.
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