"Boxing vs. the savate" in 1899

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No, there was a law in France declaring that hitting someone with a closed fist was considered "using a deadly weapon"

But kicking someone with an old timey shoe wasn't?!? I mean, shod feet surely kill more people than fists do.

[Lindz]

Did you watch the documentary erezb posted above?

If I remember rallarsving correctly they have a rule that you have to chamber your kicks and reverse chamber on the way down and some other silly rules

[captainbirdseye]

I just finished watching the Human Weapon episode (I'd forgotten how irritating those two were) and a point that jumped out was they were definitely told not to switch stance - at odds with what you said Rene.

Is this just because they suck?

[Rene "Zendokan" Gysenbergs]

I just finished watching the Human Weapon episode (I'd forgotten how irritating those two were) and a point that jumped out was they were definitely told not to switch stance - at odds with what you said Rene.

Is this just because they suck?

It takes years before your less dominate stance comes in the vecinity of your dominate side.
After 3 years of training I would say that my less dominate side is about 70% of my dominate side, taking into account that all drills are done in both stances equally.
So it's not "today we train unorthodox" once a month.

Take also into considuration that they (Duff & Co) probably have trained other forms of Kickboxing before and did that 99% of the time in their orthodox stand, making the proces of getting a good unorthodox stand even longer.

Also in the two weeks that it takes to shoot an episode, they wouldn't even scratch the surface in that, so probably they were told to fight orthodox because it's their best side.
If they would have been taught unorthodox, the first time they got into that position against a decent Savateur...wel, let's just say that they would get the same beating as if they had their both fists tied behind their back.

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If I were training someone for a fight in a style they didn't know after 1 weeks' time, I'd probably try to keep things simple too.

[Vorschlag]

Look into the Defense Dans La Rue method if you're not inclined towards the sportive system you may find it more to your liking.

Of course the method died out due to having many of its practitioners along with its traditional enemy wiped out in a world war.

There are modern systems that try to emulate it and others which are trying to re-create the original system.

DDLR can probably assist in pointing you towards a few worthwhile sites.

[Rene "Zendokan" Gysenbergs]

Savate Défense
(Eric Quequet was also in the human weapon episode)





Demo of "Canne" and "Bâton"

[Vorschlag]

Not the old style that we study/practice but his dvd's do look pretty good I've considered getting them a few times but most companies seem to have excessive posting charges.

If anyone's got his dvd's can they review them as I still plan on eventually investing in them.

[Rene "Zendokan" Gysenbergs]

Not the old style that we study/practice but his dvd's do look pretty good I've considered getting them a few times but most companies seem to have excessive posting charges.

If anyone's got his dvd's can they review them as I still plan on eventually investing in them.

I've got both of them, but only in French.

The basic techniques is 1:10:00 long.
The advanced techniques is 0:48:00 long.

The participants don't speak themselfs, but use gestures to focus on certain specifics in a technique demonstration. There's a voice-over commentating the techniques.
I prefer this better than when the teacher talks whilest performing the technique because it doesn't interrupt the flow of the technique.

Techniques are performed at normal speed, in slow motions, drills and how to spar them safely.
It's quiet visual, so people who can "steal with their eyes" will benefit from the camera work.

About the techniques themself:
- you don't get an avalanche of techniques, but just a reasonable amount with their breakdown.
- the techniques are logical and realistic in usages (so no Systema and Ke?po type of overkill), but for some techniques I would not use them in that way in a self-defense situation (pulling closed guard and going for a spinal extension lock)
- You need to have some basic understanding/experience of grappling, especially Judo/freestyle throws, for the throws in Savate Défense. The video doesn't go there in the finer details

All by all nice DVDs, but I wouldn't give more than $/€15 a piece, especially if you already have some decent knowledge/experience in self-defense techniques.

[DdlR]

Look into the Defense Dans La Rue method if you're not inclined towards the sportive system you may find it more to your liking.

Of course the method died out due to having many of its practitioners along with its traditional enemy wiped out in a world war.

There are modern systems that try to emulate it and others which are trying to re-create the original system.

DDLR can probably assist in pointing you towards a few worthwhile sites.

There are people/clubs working more-or-less verbatim from early 20th century self defense manuals, such as Jean Joseph Renaud's "Defence dans la Rue" and Georges Dubois' "Comment se Defendre", balancing historical recreation with self defense training. The other major approach would be the self defense curricula developed by/attached to official boxe Francais institutions, which tend to be savate-flavored eclectic RBSD, without so much of a strict focus on French/historical sources.