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Great thread.
A nice tie in would be the kind of workouts/training (e.g. row lifts) you can do to improve your archery skills and stability esp for heavier draw weights.
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Cool thread! I bought a compound bow off ebay a few years ago. It has a 70lb draw on it. I love to shoot it. Ive got about a 2 inch group at 50 yards. Ive been wanting to get into a recurve. But your idea is a lot cooler!!!
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Man, I am bad at this since I graduated college and got married.
Right. Haven't forgotten this, will post more- with actual bows involved-, but for now, this!
W. Rabbit: I asked around initially and all I got from archery forums was "shoot heavier bows". So, no help there /shrug
Diesel_Claus: I bought a compound bow at the pawn shop in town shortly after seeing Princess Mononoke. I was a freshman in college, I was just getting used to the fact I could do whatever the hell I wanted.... ah, those were the days. Oh, and then I never shot it cause I wasn't sure what arrows I needed, forgot it in a closet and then gave it to a good friend of mine who's bow hunted his entire life.
Unless I'm mistaken, if you can do a 2" grouping at 50 yards with some consistency you may want to consider competing. I'm probably mistaken.
sweats: I've been meaning to get my hands on those.
Ok, and now, to make this post more worthwhile, here are two related, incredibly stupid videos.
Seriously though, keep your eye on this moron's channel; he's going to kill himself or someone else one of these days, mark my words.
Suffice it to say, never, ever do that.Last edited by Stick; 12/11/2012 10:09pm at .
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Nah, it's no big deal. A budy of mine shoots a lot better than I do. Of course he is a professional hunter. But he splits arrows at 50 yards. Watching that is cool. He shoots in field competitions which have different distance targets out in the woods. But they shoot at 70 yards 80 yards. Which, I can't even hardly see the target! He shoots at 100 yards for fun, and I usually miss the target at that range, but I've got an old bow. His is brand new from sponsors.
I would like to try out Flight archery where you shoot up in to the air and try to drop arrows onto a target. The record is over 400 yards. That's crazy!Combatives training log.
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Garage Archery Part 2: Wherein bows are actually made!
A month and a half later, I follow up!
At this rate, this thread will be real time with my hobby in 2014- I'm putting the finishing touches on bow # 16.
Right, so when I left you last, I'd built the tools I needed to get on with actually building bows: a tillering tree (for making all bows) and a flattening jig (for PVC specifically). And so the time has come to cover the first two bows I made.
I decided to keep the first bow simple, a selfbow in a longbow pattern. I followed the build along for this bow
Only, as I wasn't sure what weight would work for me, I went with a 3/4" diameter 68" long pipe rather than 1.25" at 66" long. Here, I learned a valuable lesson about the relative strength of the various thicknesses of pipes.
On the build itself, I had little enough difficulty flattening the limbs. I heated them up on my concrete patio, I'd say each limb took a bit under ten minutes to reach a good, maleable state. The pipe should be evenly heated along the entire length to be flattened to the point you can- while wearing your handy gloves (cause when it's hot enough to flatten, it's hot enough to burn skin)- squeeze the pipe flat between your thumb and forefinger. As the limbs were somewhat long and skinny, it was a little difficult keeping them straight and more or less in line.
One annoying thing that cropped up on this first attempt was that, when flattening the second limb, you need to ensure that the other already flattened limb stays down with its back flat and level with the ground. After an initial goof where I didn't realize the limb had come up off the ground rotated out at an angle, I reheated the limb and kept the other down by slapping on a few bricks.
With the limbs flattened and in line, I got to tapering them. This was a bit trying with a simple hand saw, cutting a nice even V shape into the end of the limb, but it was doable; I imagine if you have access to, say, a band saw this will be no problem at all. I bound the V together with JB Weld and a section of 1" heat shrink tubing. I could only find that tubing in 4" sections which kind of stinks, if anyone can point me to where it's available as a roll or if you know where I can find better than 1" tubing I would really appreciate that.
All built, it was time to string the thing. Stringing bows can be a bit tricky already without making the string yourself, so I decided to cut at least one corner and just bought a string from Amazon.
A few things on determining what length of string to buy. First you need to know your bow's AMO length, that is the Archery Manufacturer's Organization length: the distance between nocks measured along the body of the bow. If you are trying to find AMO for a straight bow of any kind, this is pretty easy, all you need is the distance between nocks. With a recurve, you'll need a flexible tape measure to hold against the belly of your bow as you run the distance from nock to nock. Then it's a matter of finding a fitting string- so long as those strings are listed and sold by the bow's AMO length and not their own length-, if, by chance, you're buying from someone who simply lists the length of the string here's your rule of thumb: 3" shorter for long bows, 4-5" shorter for recurves. If the string is an endless loop style string, you will be able to shorten the string by an inch or so simply by twisting it tight before fully stringing the bow, it gives you a little room to work with on the brace height (distance between the string and the riser, your handle).
Long story short, I bought a longbow string for a 68" AMO length bow, which is actually wrong. The pipe, the whole bow tip-to-tip is 68", but the nocks are cut in about a half inch from the ends, so the actual AMO is about 67". However, as I mentioned, the endless loop style bowstring can be twisted to shorten it and give you the brace height you want.
So here it is.
And the next step after stringing it was putting it on the tiller to find out how strong it was. To do this, I place the bow on the tiller, pull it down to the 28" mark and zero out my bathroom scale. Then, place the tiller on the scale and take the string off its hook and hold it there, effectivly pulling the force down into the scale and giving a rough estimate on its strength.
In this case, an utterly anemic 15#@28"
****.
I didn't even bother to shoot this thing. 15# is very much a child's weight.
I went ahead and completely repeated the process with 1" pipe and got better, though still light, results.
The one difference in the build was that the 1" heat shrink tubing I found did not go far down the tapered sections and didn't give me much confidence, so I slapped a bunch of duct tape in place. Duct tape fixes everything.
30#@28"
Nothing to fight off invading Normans with, but it was a start: a target bow.
I slapped on a coat of black spray paint, some gold on the tips (I had it laying around from one of Beth's old projects) and slathered the riser in electrical tape.
Now, as I'm in a garden style condo and don't have a yard or a basement or a wife that would be all that understanding of shooting through the living room, it was a little while before I actually got to shoot this thing out. Between building bow #2 and shooting bow #2 I actually built two more, recurves, but I'll get to that in my next post.... in like February- I kid, I kid!
Also, I'll get to arrows in the next post as well. If you must know, the arrows in this video are old fiberglass target arrows borrowed from my in-laws' neighbors. These were awful arrows, many missing a fletching, and two that had cracked and shredded bodies we simply wound in electrical tape... which, after having seen this picture, I realize was really dumb on our part.
Right, so here's my brother in law shooting this in his parents' back yard at a water melon.
I took this bow out camping and had a few more opportunities to shoot it. I found the low brace height of the long bow style had me taking a lot more string thwacks to the forearm than my recurves have, but at this light weight it was fairly tolerable. The light weight of the draw also made this a good and easy bow to learn with, allowing me to spend hours working on my draw, anchor, sight picture, etc. without concern for wearing out my shoulders.
At some point, I learned a cool new way to wrap cord for handles, and so I replaced the electrical tape on this bow's riser, it's the one in the middle. Paracord on 1" pipe is an excellent fit for the hand, didn't get sweaty and sticky the way electrical tape could.
Then, back in November, I sent this bow off with the 11th bow I made to my brother and his girlfriend in Oklahoma as a much belated birthday present.
Here she is with it.
Alright, so bows 1 & 2. There you go.
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Great work Stick. I have been doing archery for almost as long as I have been doing MAs. Yes, I was a teenager who so badly wanted to be a ninjer, but I grew up and realise ninjers are fantasy creatures, much like unicorns and dragons.
Any thoughts about selling any that would would make? I have an Oneida Strike Eagle (hybrid recurve/compound) and I wouldn't mind having a simpler bow as well. Since my bow is set at #60, I would probably be looking for a #50 recurve.



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Garage Archery and Bowcrafting with Stick Part 1