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    DBMA Stick Grappling

    Woof All:

    I've side barred with the powers that be and as best as I can tell I've been given a green light to mix in a bit of marketing with a thread on stick grappling. :-)

    I know the received wisdom for many is that grappling appears in our fighting only because of our use of fencing masks. While this certainly is true in the case of many of the fights at a DB Gathering, in my considered opinion this is part of the process of achieving the skill of doing so in a way that can be done technically without a fencing mask.

    Probably the best place to start is with the extended interview I did on all this here:

    http://dogbrothers.com/stick-grappling/

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    I remeber my first stickfight at a gathering, I did a crashing roof entry to a clinch. At the time, I hadn't really been training to do that- I was practiced in "medium range" FMA mostly. But when the sticks start zipping by and hitting you, its extremely intuitive to close and grapple, even if it wasn't your gameplan. Its foolish how some fma dudes act like grappling isn't a natural, important part of weapon fighting.

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    Speaking as a HEMA guy stick/sword grappling is completely legit. I don't see why a fencing mask would change this.

    To me mid-range is a position I don't want to be in while sparring.

    From mid range if I'm the better grappler I'll try to find a way to close in.

    If they're the better grappler I'll try to regain distance so they can't close in to grapple me.

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    It seems to me that stick grappling is even more likely when the masks come off. When the stakes are higher and the strikes are more dangerous, are people really more likely to exchange at the most dangerous range? I don't think so.

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    I agree.

    I also know how many "classical" FMA guys have chewed my ear to the contrary, hence my comment :-D

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    And now, , , , drum roll , , , here comes the marketing!

    https://gumroad.com/l/dbmaa-stick-grappling#

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    It was interesting how you mentioned that trapping actually worked well when on the ground and someone couldn't move. I hadn't much considered that, and usually dismissed trapping as a near-useless bit in a range that is transitional.

    Nobody stays at medium-close range for very long. Someone gets the edge at this range and gets a few shots in, then the person either bails out or crashes in for a clinch. This is pretty much true for any striking art, not just sticks. People just don't stand there getting beat on.

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    Woof Ryno:

    You raise an interesting point. In replying I am drifting a bit from the subject of this particular thread, but , , , as they say in that insurance commercial , , , "it's the internet. It's what we do" haha:

    You grasp the point about someone not being able to move away from the trapping on the ground see e.g. 03:20-03:45 approx of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVuK...F05BB7&index=3

    But I go further than you do in support of the concept. I use the experience of succeeding with trapping on the ground as an intermediate step in learning how to do it standing. It's a promo clip, so of course the missing links are not provided. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgocx5C-Cpg

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    Woof Ryno:

    You raise an interesting point. In replying I am drifting a bit from the subject of this particular thread, but , , , as they say in that insurance commercial , , , "it's the internet. It's what we do" haha:

    You grasp the point about someone not being able to move away from the trapping on the ground see e.g. 03:20-03:45 approx of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVuK...F05BB7&index=3

    But I go further than you do in support of the concept. I use the experience of succeeding with trapping on the ground as an intermediate step in learning how to do it standing. It's a promo clip, so of course the missing links are not provided. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgocx5C-Cpg
    Last edited by Crafty Dog; 9/07/2016 10:14pm at . Reason: accidental duplicate

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