Thread: defending butterfly guard pass
11/19/2012 5:04pm, #11
Re: defending butterfly guard pass
They don't really have upper body control so much as they have my hips pinned between their elbows and knees.
The stfu n00b answer would be to not let them pin my hips, but I'm looking for what to do when they've pinned my hips, shucked a hook, and are now passing.
11/19/2012 6:41pm, #12
11/19/2012 6:49pm, #13
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I'm going to give a general answer. I find that a lot of people, especially beginners, tend to get married to a certain "guard" configuration and will stay in it no matter what. That can be instructive for sure, however, in general, it also works to be able to transition positions (guard or otherwise) to counter whatever your partner is attempting to do.
I'll leave it there.
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11/19/2012 7:48pm, #14
I know in the later video of the pass it shows the foot being stuck higher up (not in a hook position), but you should be trying to hip escape back to make space and straighten back up to stop the pass and re-align with them, either go back to hooks/butterfly guard or close etc.
Hip out, re-align (to negate/reverse the angle he's trying to pass on to that side of the trapped leg, get yo' guard back.Daniel: I don't know if I know enough karate.
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11/19/2012 7:50pm, #15
Imagine the alignment of you and your opponent's spine. When he's in your guard, they're both aligned. When he's passed, they're at 90 degrees. Start pushing the head away before you are at 45 degrees to each other. After that point it's too late. Try to stay aligned.
Hope that makes sense, communicating this **** in text is hard.
11/19/2012 10:47pm, #16
11/20/2012 10:07am, #17
Ok, to trap your hips between their elbows and knees they have to be pretty low down on your body, leaving your upper body free to move. So take advantage of that. Sit up and go for a guillotine. Attack so that their head is on the same side they are trying to pass to, and kick the leg that is not trapped over their back. That will give them something else to worry about besides passing your guard because continuing the pass will just get them choked more if you have the grip.
Even if you DON'T have the grip solid, as they continue to pass you turn towards them and come up to your knees and you can tackle them over or take the back, or just end up re-guarding if you don't feel like you can pull this off.
OR, if you don't like the idea of going for a submission there then just sit up and dig for underhooks like there's no tomorrow. Either way, getting your back off the mat is going to be the key concept here. Get your upper body UP so that you can use your arms to attack and push them around.
11/20/2012 4:38pm, #18
Can we get a video of how to beat this?
11/20/2012 10:02pm, #19
I'm gonna try to make a video tomorrow, since jnp and some other bullies will be at the gym. Maybe we can come up with something.
11/20/2012 11:08pm, #20
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