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    Mo Duk Pai in Portland,OR. Any experienced feedback?

    Greetings,

    I've been researching various martial arts styles as well as dojos to join in Portland,Or. The "academy of kung fu" in SE Portland teaches a style that is a progression or evolution of a few different styles. It seems like a very no bs practical martial art to me but I would like any feedback from those that have trained in the art of Mo Duk Pai.

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    Do you know where their grappling training comes from?

    Haven't trained it so could'nt give a testimonial I'm afraid..there are some on here though :



    The style name sounds like a cartoon catchphrase..

    If 'very no bs practical martial art' is what you're after go to an MMA club..these guy's prob don't qualify as ' very no bs' going by the vid.

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    http://modukpai.blogspot.com/2009/10...-hard-and.html

    Mo Duk Pai kung fu was founded by Professor Fred King in 1983. An accomplished martial artist and tournament fighter (Professor King was featured on the cover of Karate Illustrated magazine as “The Happy Warrior”), Professor King felt the time was right for a more holistic system of martial arts that encompassed spontaneity, creativity, practicality, and ethical behavior. These four principles form the cornerstones of Mo Duk Pai.
    Kind of vague, I was looking for a connection to Daniel K. Pai (Pai Lum).
    In 2001, in an unprecedented dual presentation, Professors Wally Jay and Remy Presas together conferred upon Professor (then Sifu) King the title of Professor.
    Martial artist called 'Professors' scare me. Red Flag.
    The implication that "Professor King" was trained, promoted, etc. by Wally Jay (not a kung fu guy) and Remy Presas (not a kung fu guy) is kind of illogical.

    The Mo Duk thing sounds Korean; the Pai thing sounds like Hawaii. Draw your own conclusion.

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    Thanks for the feedback. My thoughts were on the same path. I'm going to check out a few classes to get a feel for the atmosphere. I've never trained martial arts but I've been in real life self defense situations as well as been a life long athlete. I should be able to tell if I'm learning something effective or not hopefully. I'll let the forum know how it goes. Thanks for the feedback everyone.

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    The grappling training comes from "professor" Wally. He founded small circle jujitsu.

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    The Mo Duk thing sounds Korean; the Pai thing sounds like Hawaii. Draw your own conclusion.
    Mo Duk Pai is Cantonese for "Martial Virtue School".

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    Quote Originally Posted by W. Rabbit View Post
    Mo Duk Pai is Cantonese for "Martial Virtue School".
    When you translate and break that down, does it actually make sense?



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    Quote Originally Posted by slamdunc View Post
    When you translate and break that down, does it actually
    I guess so.

    Mo duk (wu de in mandarin) is a common term in kwoons for martial etiquette etc, and pai is commonly use on to signify a group/club/gathering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by W. Rabbit View Post
    I guess so.

    Mo duk (wu de in mandarin) is a common term in kwoons for martial etiquette etc, and pai is commonly use on to signify a group/club/gathering.
    OR... they could literally be talking about eating more duck pie, duck being quite the delicacy in the Northwest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Budo_Brown View Post
    The grappling training comes from "professor" Wally. He founded small circle jujitsu.
    Mr Budo, I've been to a seminar at the shool. (Got to watch the nice young lady at :18 do a grip of pullups IIRC...)

    Here's what I took from it:

    Good excersise. They do a lot of calethenics and forms and aren't afraid to throw a little weight into the mix. The students I met were in good physical health and they could do the dance as they say. Everybody was also very nice. Really positive vibe from the whole crew.

    The sparring was not done with what this site would refer to as "aliveness". The slow compliant dancing you see in this video is very representative of the randori demonstration they gave.

    AFA Wally's Jits? His small circle Jujitsu was incorporated into the curiculumn of the art I was studying at the time and much of our "grapling" was based on it. I have put it to good use in my experience but it is what specialist grapplers around here would call "crappling". That is, it will work against people who don't know grappling counters but some one who does know what's up will ruin your day for trying it.

    Is the school worth it? Depends on what you want.

    If you want a decent sweat, positive company, a nice clean gym and maybe a martial technique here and there it looks like a good shop. But, having fought in the dirty street hindered by the rose colored glasses of this type of compliant training I can say first hand that you probably will not pick up the agression, initiative, speed or power required to dominate a motivated opponent IRL. (I had to train those aspects outside of school)

    (If anyone from MDP wants to dispute this claim I live close to your dojo and would be happy to hate **** your S.E. hippy ass into the dirt to prove this point.)

    If you want to bang with the hardest of bangers I would reccomend either Team Quest or Straight Blast Gym for this area. They both have a good reputation and respectable lineage for grooming competitive fighters.

    Hope that helps!
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