Gong Sau Extravaganza 2013: Sirc vs. 3moose

**hpr** · Posted On: 12/19/2012 12:15am

Originally Posted by Matt Phillips

I don't want you guys to fall into the trap of thinking that you can't have a Mega under those conditions. If Bobby stopped organizing the Boston Mega, one of us would have picked it up and made sure it happened. I mean, I love Bobby, but I could couldn't care less if he wanted to bail because (hehehe) Rudy was coming. Under those conditions, he would be free to skip it on his own, not torpedo the Mega. As I said, someone else would just step in and organize it.

Prone already talked about doing the next one when it seemed that Zendo is moving away. Hiro talked about it. Tonazuba tried to do a Slovakian TD in 2011, but I'm not sure anyone attended (I tried to but life intervened). UK guys used to hold London TDs. I thought it was obvious.

Again, you're trying to make this (EDIT: what I'm saying) more than it is.

**Matt Phillips** · Posted On: 12/19/2012 12:37am

I'm not tring to make it anything. I just don't think anyone should ever be banned from attending a TD, and I don't think anyone has the power to do such a thing. Look how this idea was tossed around by Rafe earlier in the thread. He wanted to ban TS just for being critical of him. Then he painted him as a rogue, dangerous sparring partner. An assessment you pretty much rejected. If we want to seriously consider excluding people from our events for liability reasons, at least put the decision in the hands of more than one person. Just because Rene is not the sort to abuse power doesn't mean individuals should have that kind of power in the first place. As you pointed out, Rafe wanted to start organizing TD's, and he would have abused this power by his own admission. Unless he was lying about that

Edit: saw your edit. I might have specifically with your point. Not on purpose if that's what you suggested.

***JohnnyCache*** · Posted On: 12/19/2012 1:31am

There is no world in which some single person doesn't have that power, unless we have throwdowns outside in the park

you know who does that, man?

The SCA.

**hpr** · Posted On: 12/19/2012 2:35am

Originally Posted by Matt Phillips

I'm not tring to make it anything. I just don't think anyone should ever be banned from attending a TD, and I don't think anyone has the power to do such a thing.

Ideologically we agree here, except that the person who has to bear the legal consequences has that right.

Look how this idea was tossed around by Rafe earlier in the thread. He wanted to ban TS just for being critical of him. Then he painted him as a rogue, dangerous sparring partner. An assessment you pretty much rejected. If we want to seriously consider excluding people from our events for liability reasons, at least put the decision in the hands of more than one person. Just because Rene is not the sort to abuse power doesn't mean individuals should have that kind of power in the first place. As you pointed out, Rafe wanted to start organizing TD's, and he would have abused this power by his own admission. Unless he was lying about that

Edit: saw your edit. I might have specifically with your point. Not on purpose if that's what you suggested.

For the record I agree with Rafe on TS being an dangerous sparring partner, because if we did hard contact he'd beat my ass up and down the mats. (for those that have problems with written form of communication: that was a joke.)

You're trying to win an argument here that doesn't even exist yet. Nobody has been banned. My point was that any organisator of TD's has the option to stop doing it for whatever reason, including dealing with assholes. That's what I meant with the banning. Period. In an ideal world there wouldn't even be talk about any banning, but note also that Ming Loyalist backed Rene here - it's not like it's easy to find gyms that allow these gatherings to happen. You are being just a bit idealistic here.

If it wasn't clear enough: I agree with you. Nobody should be banned for personal issues. I repeat: I agree with you. And in the theoretical event of banning for liability issues I don't think it will ever come to a single person's decision as long as the TD is being held. It's not like it's a cabinet decision sprung upon people only when they're on site. The second you announce someone can't come because XYZ it becomes a community debate and you know it perfectly well.

As for the Rafe's as-of-yet-not-even-planned-TD: nobody is going to book hotels and plane tickets for a Schrödinger's TD (ie. one where you don't know that it's actually happening until you're there) which is what it will become on a forum so in love with drama as this one if someone starts to ban people beforehand for any reason.

FFS. I really hope all publicity is good publicity. The amount of posts about this and last year's EuroMega would suggest there'd be at least 30 people attending next year.

**bobyclumsyninja** · Posted On: 12/19/2012 3:30am

As long as attendees respect the gym's rules, sign the waiver, pay the mat fee, and are wearing the right safety gear, I don't see why ban anyone.

Been to lots of TD's, not a problem at any of them. This includes the DanH0rgan trollfest TD. He was a proper gent in the gym, and would be welcome back anytime AFAIC.

***Tranquil Suit*** · Posted On: 12/19/2012 3:57am

Originally Posted by bobyclumsyninja

Been to lots of TD's, not a problem at any of them. This includes the DanH0rgan trollfest TD. He was a proper gent in the gym, and would be welcome back anytime AFAIC.

You do understand that he played your ass, right? The whole 'proper gent' thing was just a part of the act.

**alex** · Posted On: 12/19/2012 4:15am

boby is a well proven fucking moron though and doesnt really get it, i feel.

**bobyclumsyninja** · Posted On: 12/19/2012 4:41am

Originally Posted by Bling Bling

You do understand that he played your ass, right? The whole 'proper gent' thing was just a part of the act.

His behavior, and that of his guests the day of, wes my concern. the sparring went ok. All the other silliness is just that.

**Lebell** · Posted On: 12/19/2012 5:07am

I think we need people like Sambosteev and Omega attending a euro TD.
It would be really interesting to see Omega get tired of punching me in the face while i keep lololol and also Steve could finally apologise to me and also buy me a decent meal.
I can see this work.

**Lebell** · Posted On: 12/19/2012 5:17am

btw Steve, its okay if its a happymeal, it doesnt need to be anything fancy.
hell, you can even play with the toy after im done playing with it.
Im not a bad person.