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  1. JohnnyCache is offline
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    There is no world in which some single person doesn't have that power, unless we have throwdowns outside in the park

    you know who does that, man?

    The SCA.
    There's no choice but to confront you, to engage you, to erase you. I've gone to great lengths to expand my threshold of pain. I will use my mistakes against you. There's no other choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Phillips View Post
    I'm not tring to make it anything. I just don't think anyone should ever be banned from attending a TD, and I don't think anyone has the power to do such a thing.
    Ideologically we agree here, except that the person who has to bear the legal consequences has that right.

    Look how this idea was tossed around by Rafe earlier in the thread. He wanted to ban TS just for being critical of him. Then he painted him as a rogue, dangerous sparring partner. An assessment you pretty much rejected. If we want to seriously consider excluding people from our events for liability reasons, at least put the decision in the hands of more than one person. Just because Rene is not the sort to abuse power doesn't mean individuals should have that kind of power in the first place. As you pointed out, Rafe wanted to start organizing TD's, and he would have abused this power by his own admission. Unless he was lying about that

    Edit: saw your edit. I might have specifically with your point. Not on purpose if that's what you suggested.
    For the record I agree with Rafe on TS being an dangerous sparring partner, because if we did hard contact he'd beat my ass up and down the mats. (for those that have problems with written form of communication: that was a joke.)

    You're trying to win an argument here that doesn't even exist yet. Nobody has been banned. My point was that any organisator of TD's has the option to stop doing it for whatever reason, including dealing with assholes. That's what I meant with the banning. Period. In an ideal world there wouldn't even be talk about any banning, but note also that Ming Loyalist backed Rene here - it's not like it's easy to find gyms that allow these gatherings to happen. You are being just a bit idealistic here.

    If it wasn't clear enough: I agree with you. Nobody should be banned for personal issues. I repeat: I agree with you. And in the theoretical event of banning for liability issues I don't think it will ever come to a single person's decision as long as the TD is being held. It's not like it's a cabinet decision sprung upon people only when they're on site. The second you announce someone can't come because XYZ it becomes a community debate and you know it perfectly well.

    As for the Rafe's as-of-yet-not-even-planned-TD: nobody is going to book hotels and plane tickets for a Schrödinger's TD (ie. one where you don't know that it's actually happening until you're there) which is what it will become on a forum so in love with drama as this one if someone starts to ban people beforehand for any reason.

    FFS. I really hope all publicity is good publicity. The amount of posts about this and last year's EuroMega would suggest there'd be at least 30 people attending next year.
    Curiosity killed the cat. But damn it had a blast.
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    As long as attendees respect the gym's rules, sign the waiver, pay the mat fee, and are wearing the right safety gear, I don't see why ban anyone.

    Been to lots of TD's, not a problem at any of them. This includes the DanH0rgan trollfest TD. He was a proper gent in the gym, and would be welcome back anytime AFAIC.
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobyclumsyninja View Post
    Been to lots of TD's, not a problem at any of them. This includes the DanH0rgan trollfest TD. He was a proper gent in the gym, and would be welcome back anytime AFAIC.
    You do understand that he played your ass, right? The whole 'proper gent' thing was just a part of the act.

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    boby is a well proven fucking moron though and doesnt really get it, i feel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bling Bling View Post
    You do understand that he played your ass, right? The whole 'proper gent' thing was just a part of the act.
    His behavior, and that of his guests the day of, wes my concern. the sparring went ok. All the other silliness is just that.
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I think we need people like Sambosteev and Omega attending a euro TD.
    It would be really interesting to see Omega get tired of punching me in the face while i keep lololol and also Steve could finally apologise to me and also buy me a decent meal.
    I can see this work.
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    12/19/2012 5:17am

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    btw Steve, its okay if its a happymeal, it doesnt need to be anything fancy.
    hell, you can even play with the toy after im done playing with it.
    Im not a bad person.
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    Posted On:
    12/19/2012 6:42am


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lebell View Post
    Shots? nah. ask a BJJ guy for a proper shoot.
    Usually you work your way to a clinch, wrap his guard up and then go for a sweep, suplex or hip/shoulder throw.
    There are some spectacular kickcounters though.
    Dude when you come here it will be nice to learn some san da throws that **** is da bomb!!!! I know your basic catch the leg and either sweep or kick it till he drops.



    Im not saying he should be banned from attending a TD, if all he NEEDS to keep coming.
    Just get it into his head he should have a very big piece of humble pie, stfu, and just....train.
    Not saying he cant have fun, but imo it would be better if he'd tone it down.

    A guy like Zen put in effort and money to get the TD going, and it would be a pitty if some clowns suddenly turn the TD into some internetextravaganza show, and if you guys are non confrontational, thats fine, but ill open my mouth about this.
    Dude when you come here it will be nice to learn some san da throws that **** is da bomb!!!! I know your basic catch the leg and either sweep or kick it till he drops.
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    Posted On:
    12/19/2012 7:15am

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    Quote Originally Posted by erezb View Post
    Dude when you come here it will be nice to learn some san da throws that **** is da bomb!!!! I know your basic catch the leg and either sweep or kick it till he drops.
    you have other options: IF (!) you are able to block&catch a highkick you can actually do a shoulderthrow, except you're using his leg instead of his arm.
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