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    Belgium, you already know this.
    I did?
    Must have forgotten. sorry.
    Let me know if you wanna visit Lolland I could give you some tips what to see or whatever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lebell View Post
    I did?
    Must have forgotten. sorry.
    Let me know if you wanna visit Lolland I could give you some tips what to see or whatever.
    That's cool.



    Wait, you do realize that I'm Tranquil Suit and this is my Christmas name, right?



    I'm starting to wonder cause remember how you were saying "I thought you were Flemish" earlier in this thread, right?

    And also, I met up with rafe at the TDs!!

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    That's cool.



    Wait, you do realize that I'm Tranquil Suit and this is my Christmas name, right?



    I'm starting to wonder cause remember how you were saying "I thought you were Flemish" earlier in this thread, right?

    And also, I met up with rafe at the TDs!!
    WTF...im really having my blonde moment here.
    And where's my xmas name?
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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA


    You didn't request one, duh.



    Hilarious

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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA


    You didn't request one, duh.



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    Can I be "Phrost Troll"???
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    i really think that those who can't get their head around the bowing thing (because their angry sky daddy will punish them) don't deserve judo. life is full of choices, and if your bronze age superstitions are holding you back, so be it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by itwasntme View Post
    Can I be "Phrost Troll"???
    There is a thread for that, go there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiro Protagonist View Post
    However, I am not willing to do that in a hostile environment, or against an opponent I can not trust to behave like an adult when it comes to questions of safety. Which was a fairly big issue this year already, by the way.
    Why don't you tell us what REALLY happened? Cause I was there and I guess I must have missed it somehow.

    Please, explain what you mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivington View Post
    I missed it. Tell me again.
    OK. I posted this:
    Originally Posted by Me
    You claimed earlier that my performance against Kintanon shows that I was not qualified to critique Zendo's kickboxing.


    and you responded with this:

    Originally Posted by Rivington
    Where did I say this? Oh yes, what's your line again? "Quote or STFU."


    and then I reminded you that you had already said this

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    Simple: you lacked the training experience to come to the conclusions you did about Rene.


    Then I asked you to apologize.
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    OK. I posted this:
    Originally Posted by Me
    You claimed earlier that my performance against Kintanon shows that I was not qualified to critique Zendo's kickboxing.


    and you responded with this:

    Originally Posted by Rivington
    Where did I say this? Oh yes, what's your line again? "Quote or STFU."


    and then I reminded you that you had already said this

    Originally Posted by Rivington
    Simple: you lacked the training experience to come to the conclusions you did about Rene.


    Then I asked you to apologize.
    Ah, I see. You think apologies are just some things dudes do, like fist-bumps or circle-jerks. No, you get no apology, since what you quoted isn't what you claimed I claimed, as I already explained. Your strawman shellgame of pretending that your MMA match was a grappling match so that clearly I can't have an opinion of your estimation of Zendo's kickboxing skills (which again, isn't the issue) was just your bullshit.

    I'll explain one last time: you claimed that Zendo must be pulling a fast one, rather than simply being terrible. You had no way of knowing this—indeed, you just insisted that we must treat him as "average" as opposed to especially bad, or fat, or depressed, or the recipient of training in a country with few expert coaches etc. That is, you insisted on assuming a perfectly spherical cow rather than analyzing the actually existing Zendo. You then transposed the 600 hours of training from its actual post-video commencement to pre-video. Further, the 600 hours includes both kickboxing and grappling styles. (Did you see a lot of 10th planet JJ in that vid? Remember, that was part of the 600 hours too.)

    What you are insufficiently trained to tell is

    a) why it is that Zendo sucked (i.e., is he just awful or was he somehow lying about all sorts of stuff) and

    b) what 600 hours of instruction should have done for Zendo specifically.


    Not c) that Zendo's video is shitty.

    The "conclusions you did [come to] about Rene" are not c—that's hardly even a conclusion, just a universal observation. They are a and b. And it is absolutely so that you are insufficiently trained to come to either conclusions a or b, which was Lebell's point about waiting to see your own video. And indeed, you performed worse than you thought you would, but not worse than Lebell thought you would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivington View Post
    Ah, I see. You think apologies are just some things dudes do, like fist-bumps or circle-jerks. No, you get no apology, since what you quoted isn't what you claimed I claimed, as I already explained. Your strawman shellgame of pretending that your MMA match was a grappling match so that clearly I can't have an opinion of your estimation of Zendo's kickboxing skills (which again, isn't the issue) was just your bullshit.

    I'll explain one last time: you claimed that Zendo must be pulling a fast one, rather than simply being terrible. You had no way of knowing this—indeed, you just insisted that we must treat him as "average" as opposed to especially bad, or fat, or depressed, or the recipient of training in a country with few expert coaches etc. That is, you insisted on assuming a perfectly spherical cow rather than analyzing the actually existing Zendo. You then transposed the 600 hours of training from its actual post-video commencement to pre-video. Further, the 600 hours includes both kickboxing and grappling styles. (Did you see a lot of 10th planet JJ in that vid? Remember, that was part of the 600 hours too.)

    What you are insufficiently trained to tell is

    a) why it is that Zendo sucked (i.e., is he just awful or was he somehow lying about all sorts of stuff) and

    b) what 600 hours of instruction should have done for Zendo specifically.


    Not c) that Zendo's video is shitty.

    The "conclusions you did [come to] about Rene" are not c—that's hardly even a conclusion, just a universal observation. They are a and b. And it is absolutely so that you are insufficiently trained to come to either conclusions a or b, which was Lebell's point about waiting to see your own video. And indeed, you performed worse than you thought you would, but not worse than Lebell thought you would.
    Look, I really don't want to go on and on about Rene because I have no problem with him, and I think excessive rehashing of this stuff is unfair to him. Let me see if I can wrap this up to your satisfaction...

    I'm going to grant, for the sake of putting this to bed, your point that the 600 hour thing was a) outside my ability to apply to his vid, and b) applied backwards in time. That said, it's irrelevant because the stuff in his old bio about being an assistant instructor of Muaythai was sufficient to raise a red flag. Should it have been dropped when he explained that he never was any such thing? Yes. And it wasn't, and I told him I was sorry for the whole mess. And he accepted.

    It's done and there's nothing left to say, and I am not digging up any more details on that episode because i don't want to endorse a thorough rehash. If you're not satisfied with this, and insist on continuing with this, I am simply going to grant you license to label me in anyway you wish.

    He's a good guy, and he's training hard, and this stuff is long over. You want me to be a fanboy douche? That's cool. You can see me in any way you wish and I'm not contesting it. It's your right.
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