11/29/2012 12:34am, #1901
11/29/2012 12:43am, #1902
2. There is truth in what you say. There is no doubt the culture here tends to reflexively paint anything that's outside the MMA skill set with a negative brush. Regardless, I choose to stay and try my best to be a positive influence. The record shows that I don't always succeed, but that doesn't mean I'm going to quit trying.Shut the hell up and train.
11/29/2012 12:44am, #1903One of the best Bullshido investigations ever written: http://www.bullshido.org/David_Kujawski_Investigation
"disgruntled ex student who couldn't hack training with Dave and his material and opted out (could be called pussied out) of training to go to Sambo" - Mor Sao
11/29/2012 12:49am, #1904
I like the Teflon student thing, though. Kevlar underneath it all. I like that you spent the time to research me.GET A RED BELT OR DIE TRYIN'.
11/29/2012 12:51am, #1905
11/29/2012 12:55am, #1906Shut the hell up and train.
11/29/2012 1:01am, #1907
Keep editing that post, Rudy, you might just get it right.GET A RED BELT OR DIE TRYIN'.
11/29/2012 1:05am, #1908
Dum spiro, spero.
Tada gan iarracht.
11/29/2012 1:27am, #1909
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I can say as one of the core investigative group that the Chuck thing really did kill my interest in doing that sort of work again. You and I worked closely together on more than a few investigations, and I always found your martial arts knowledge, not just your Sambo specific knowledge, but your knowledge of gyms, people, styles and history to be a critical asset in making those investigations so effective. Chuck was very, very good at strategy, psychodrama, drawing the people we were looking out into making mistakes; he was smart, good at background checks(!), and had considerable technical IT knowledge. He was good and he was an asset; he also knew less than nothing about martial arts and it could be a problem at times. I remember having to explain to him several times why this
could not be real. Unlike practically everyone else in the conversation, he did not know that you never see Carlson Gracie's sig on a Gracie Torrance certificate. The feud between Carlson's side of the family and Helio's is common knowledge. That was the first time I noticed it, but it came up repeatedly. Finally he and I got in a row over whether or not Leo White might potentially lie to protect a student's reputation. I said it was unlikely, and that if he did it would be a waaay bigger deal than the investigation he was working on. I didn't get his position until I realized that he did not know who Leo White was. Bear in mind that Chuck had Judo as his listed style, and that Leo White is a Judo Olympian, and probably the most decorated national Judo player in US history. People know who Leo White is. Especially Bullshido investigators who practice Judo.
Chuck's problem wasn't that he didn't know anything about martial arts, it was that he didn't care to know anything about it. He was a non-martial artist who's sole interest on the site was attacking martial artists engaged in fraud. Note that POW Network, the site dedicated to outing Military frauds, is run by current and ex-military personnel, and not civilians who have an interest in busting stolen-valor cases. I bet they'd think a civy who wanted to do that sort of work was weird, suspect and out of place.
Investigating people who do something you don't understand or care to understand is dangerous, error-prone, and IMO unethical. Chuck didn't train, learn or care to learn about the martial arts, but was very enthusiastic about ripping them apart. The rest of us would have been very satisfied if we exposed the last MA fraud and there were no more to be found. Chuck would have been annoyed.
When he went off the rails, and the staff ignored calls to reign him in, he was exposed in public in a giant ugly clusterfuck that ended with my arm getting nicely stretched by Kintanon in North Carolina. A lot of people were repelled when it was made public that Chuck was somehow getting the SS#'s of people on the site (his recent similar behavior targeting Lebell over on Sociocide shows he hasn't learned a thing); horrified by what he did, but also by the staff's hesitation to get involved. Chuck had a lot of friends.
It was a giant mess, and it showed me clearly that everything here has to flow from interest in the martial arts, and not from skill at posting and the written word. Chuck was very good at both those things.
This is a martial arts site, and it needs people who are passionate about the martial arts, who have skill, knowledge and respect for it and for the people who practice it. I don't care if he never gets to an advanced level, the dude in hpr's story showed all three every time he struggled to find time to train. I think anyone who takes it seriously enough to make sacrifices is an asset to the site, regardless of how far they get. Passion shows.
Thank you Steve for bringing this up again, and for laying out what happened so clearly and eloquently. It's a touchy, painful subject for a lot of people, but it is past time someone brought it up in a sober manner.
Last edited by Matt Phillips; 11/29/2012 1:32am at .Now darkness comes; you don't know if the whales are coming. - Royce Gracie
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11/29/2012 2:02am, #1910