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  1. Diesel_tke is offline
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    The system. In ''fight'' we try to recuperate european tradition, because its our culture and much less contaminated whit comerciality, a non deportive boxing and some ringen and abrazare (Medieval wrestling) but of course we are in the middle of the process because that sort of things needs its time of study and experimentation, so the level its still low, but for the moment we beat pretty easy the wannabe challengers that hate us whit not much more than agressivity. :yaoming:
    Do you have any legit training in any of these things you are trying to "recuperate"?

    Our rules in combat exercice: Fighting in a space suit armor allows you to attack whit full strengh whit safety, and that change enough the dinamics of the combat, the distances, tecnique or rytm break so easy, it doesent matter the martial art or sistem you come from, the fight looks pretty barbarian and mindless, thats ok because it looks pretty much like real fight.
    Be careful with this because fighting in a suit teaches bad habits as well. It is good to feel some of those blows to give realistic feedback of your abilities and techniques.

    I think if we are in an error, any day a pro-boxer or crazy M.M.A fighter comes and kill us all, until then I continue to work and train to offer in a not distant future a non comercial decent product for self defense
    That day will probably come. Don't confuse a random Wing Chun guy with a Pro MMA fighter.

    And thats all the bases of the system we are developing, called survival defense (I think thats te accurate translation)
    And this is the direction that IIF was implying would lead toward bullshido.
    Combatives training log.

    Gezere: paraphrase from Bas Rutten, Never escalate the level of violence in fight you are losing. :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seeg View Post
    A real shaolin monk can kill 5 times whit a mortal mystic strike before the enemy fall to the ground.

    No, for real... when the rules become less restricted, I see less diferences whit the fighting styles, if you tells me the chinesse guy whas a other style fighter or anything else, I don't notice the diference.
    Yeah but what about are Recon Scout Sniper Delta SEAL marine friend surely his H2H skills are just as mythical
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    Hm... these are not fattyes, these are portentous man, a fatty is a fatty, you can recognise them for being clumsy, rapidly tired, and invents improbable storyes of therselves saving the day.

    This is a fatty:





    He was a legendary spetznatz, and got mistical martial magic powers.
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    Just out of curiosity what is your Master a Master of?
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    you can recognise them for being clumsy, rapidly tired, and invents improbable storyes of therselves saving the day.
    Nope, your definition fits anyone of any size. I guess what you are missing is that being fat doesn't always translate to no skill.
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    Just a couple of points.

    You seem to have a good idea of what you want to achieve,i.e realistic fighting within a no-rules type situation. However you are making things alot harder than you need too.

    Firstly,you shouldn't just be going hard out all the time,bad habits learned early will not help you,and will probably stop you achieving your goal.

    Yes,you're training hard,but your technique is pretty crappy still, (even just keeping your hands up while punching),. That's where more main stream clubs come into it. Find a boxing gym,kick boxing gym,judo club. Anything that will help your shortcut the learning and improving curve. Otherwise it will be a long time before you figure out how to throw a hard straight punch with effective situational defense. The normal clubs will show you how to stand,how to hold your hands,throw a punch,kick,or just throw. Then once you have some instruction you can start to combine these lessons into what you're already doing and at the same time have some idea of how to throw a better punch,or slip their punch.Just remember a few boxing lessons don't make you an expert and you will need to keep up training in a gym.

    You should be drilling techniques as well as just punching each other. Local clubs have their purpose,drilling technique is just one of them of course. Just don't join a rubbish one. Stick to the standard boxing,judo,kickboxing yanno?? Have a look around on this site for whats good and whats not,and what to look for if you're not sure.

    Good luck.
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    Do you have any legit training in any of these things you are trying to "recuperate"?
    Of course, I'm the true succesor of Jaume I The conqueror, king of Aragon! and I can prove it whit my flashy sword purchased in the same store that Mr. Dux purchase his kumite tournament trophy.
    Some dojos of my country are offering black belts on pancratium, but sincerelly, those belts look like commercial crap to me, the reality is there no real transmision survive, but we have the historical scripts, whit that and some boxing and interpretation, I guess we can make ''something'' and of course if we keep training in honest and realistic way, we reach good level some day, for the moment, as you can say any pro-boxer or professional M.M.A fighter can beat us all, but the same is for the others.

    My legit training is professional bodyguard and security officer experience, specialised in counter-terrorism and other mega-duper things that sounds great in the curriculum, but the experience I apreciate most is the real one, and the things they are served me most efficiently are conversatión, empathism, cold mind and other qualities that I always priorize over violence, its not a matter of beat anybody, its a matter of avoid confrontation and in last stance defends yourself whit all you got, self defense is evasion and surprise, not confrontation or fight, if you can atack someone whit absolute surprise, cold mind and contundenci, in a correct distance and lack of any signs, you can beat practically anybody, so learn to speak, to read context and situation, to think clearly, and pretend weakness if necesary, all to strike whit absolute perfidy and force, neck, eyes, head, groin.. and run, that is what I teach.


    Be careful with this because fighting in a suit teaches bad habits as well. It is good to feel some of those blows to give realistic feedback of your abilities and techniques.
    Yeah, oversizes the head and affects mobility, its certainly give bad habits, but also gives really good habits, you can fight whit full strengh and hostility, and that changes the dinamics radically, the combat turns more caotic and realistic and thats impossible whitout this equipment, unless you want to end in hospital.
    The security sensation dissapear in the first strike, belive me... the helm may protect your pretty face, but the blows can literally put you to sleep if you overdo, so in the first dizzyness, just admit defeat.

    We are just planing and experimenting to bring a safe and most real training possible, when the system is completed, we can iniciate for real, it just happen that the majority of dojos and gyms already hates us, but the fun is they come... and they are defeated whit mere violence (pretty much the way it shows the first combat in the video) so we are in the correct way I guess, just a matter of working more in tecnique and fight fight fight!
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    I am totally billing myself as a portentous man from henceforth.
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    Let's try this again before this is moved.

    What is your fight training. Many of us are doormen, bodyguards, security, Police, Military and on and on and on. One thing we know, minus a very small sample, is that you saying this:
    My legit training is professional bodyguard and security officer experience, specialised in counter-terrorism and other mega-duper things that sounds great in the curriculum, but the experience I apreciate most is the real one, and the things they are served me most efficiently are conversatión, empathism, cold mind and other qualities that I always priorize over violence, its not a matter of beat anybody, its a matter of avoid confrontation and in last stance defends yourself whit all you got, self defense is evasion and surprise, not confrontation or fight, if you can atack someone whit absolute surprise, cold mind and contundenci, in a correct distance and lack of any signs, you can beat practically anybody, so learn to speak, to read context and situation, to think clearly, and pretend weakness if necesary, all to strike whit absolute perfidy and force, neck, eyes, head, groin.. and run, that is what I teach.
    Does NOT answer any questions. You have said English is not your primary language. I will try to make it easier.

    What type of martial arts training do you and your friends have SEPARATELY?
    How many years do you and your friends have in these Martial Arts?

    I am not talking about how many defensive driving courses, seminars or security job restraint training classes that you have completed.


    Thank you.
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    I know a few BJJ black belts who are, how shall we say it, "past their physical prime" who could learn you something good, Seeg.

    Fat doesn't automatically constitute bullshido.
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