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  1. bobyclumsyninja is offline
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    Also, if instructors you have interviewed didn't like your idea for 1/2 of the time full contact sparring, perhaps they actually know something you don't.

    Something like the fact that injuries in that kind of regime, would be crippling to any school's chances. If even pro fighters don't do that much sparring, shouldn't that tell you something?

    and we are just 4 security workers trained in mindless violence sparring, so... midnless violence beats up 90% martial arts and self defence things pretty easy, need a demostration?
    No it doesn't. Have you even sparred 10 well trained martial artists from other disciplines to even infer a 90% number (however sloppily)?

    A decent boxer would light you up, a decent kickboxer would chop you down, and thaiboxer would crumble your bones, a BJJ specialist would choke you out or somehow sub you, a judoka would drop you easily on your head.

    Go out and find well trained people from combat sports, and try this nonsense. Your 90% inference won't hold up. You have TKD, and female fitness blackbelt (?) in your column. Now let's see you spar a decent amateur boxer (someone who actually competes) full contact, please. You gotta get your head out of the sand.


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    That video has less contact than when I wrestle with my kids, and we don't suit up...
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    I explain the combat from my own view.

    First I don't up my guard cause the distance is too long anyways, the oponent kick does not hit me (I guess he thinks that was going to be normal/tactical sparring whit rythm) I evade slightly to the back and catch his foot, then I just trow hooks to the face, the first break opponent balance, second misses. Inmediatly I mount the arm to his shoulder line to keep him facing down, another hook to the face in the process, I grab the opposite shoulder and start hiting with front knuckles (not K.O hits, but painful to the face) then just grab and try to choke in ''mataleon'' attempt, but the dimensions of gear and helm difficults this, the final point is, he does not stand, I STAND HIM, because if that is a street fight, the ground is the last place I want to stay, better controls him continuously moving back, this prevents him to take base, but he tap me and the fight is over.

    Its pretty mindless and of course I need to refine technically, but the ''primary'' actions are not wrong, and it looks more like a real fight than regular sparring, and no, its not possible to do at this level whitout the protective gear unless you want your face broke in blood.

    The fact is, in the majority of real fights, the force is used in an explosive anaerobical way in few seconds charged of adrenaline, stupidness and testosterone mans pride, in few ocasions we see a street fight whit distance-respect, technical rythm etc... it may happen of course, but this is more the way of sports or competition.


    A decent boxer would light you up, a decent kickboxer would chop you down, and thaiboxer would crumble your bones, a BJJ specialist would choke you out or somehow sub you, a judoka would drop you easily on your head.

    Go out and find well trained people from combat sports, and try this nonsense. Your 90% inference won't hold up. You have TKD, and female fitness blackbelt (?) in your column. Now let's see you spar a decent amateur boxer (someone who actually competes) full contact, please. You gotta get your head out of the sand.
    I also spare whit all of this, for example one kickass hardcore karate guy much more heavy and phisically strong than me wo also was fireman, when he techically hits me perfectly, I return 5 mindless hits in explosive rampage, and at least 2 of those hits in his face, balancing the result or just break the distance and caught him down, the same for people trained in that sports way, I can't compete tecnically, but somehow that unpredictable violent behaviour in fight gives me the victory.
    As a security officer, I saw this mechanics in disputes and fights, companions of mine trained in martial tactical things can't control or reduce a full adrenaline excited idiot whit muscles, and other companions who never trained, just jump over and put the idiot down whitout techique, so never underestimate the power of violence, they are people out there who never train in martial or contact sports, but can beat easy a pro-fighter cause they have been educated in the **** side of life, and when we combine that, we get a Mike Tyson.

    That video has less contact than when I wrestle with my kids, and we don't suit up...
    Yeah, always everyone was better, until they come...
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    The fact is, in the majority of real fights
    Again, shut the **** up.

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    Yeah, always everyone was better, until they come...
    Don't get sexual with me, sicko.

    And don't think I haven't noticed the inconsistencies in your English.
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    Blah blah blah Security blah blah blah fireman doesn't fightblah blah blah bullshit stories .
    No one, that matters, wastes time at your open sparring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seeg View Post
    So in other words;

    You don't know what you are doing.

    You refuse to take the advice you have asked for. (Because it impugnes your admittedly lacking technique.)

    You are a silly little bitch who is afraid of getting stabbed by a rubber knife so you wear maxi pads all over your body.

    In summation, to answer your original post;

    YES.

    Your "system" is ****. It always has been ****. It will remain **** unless you un-**** it as suggested.

    Also, you are ****.

    Unless you pull your head out of your ass and develope training with the help of people who know what they are doing you too will remain full of **** just like your shitty ass system.

    Thank you, come again.
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    then just grab and try to choke in ''mataleon'' attempt
    Do you know where the term "mata leo" comes from? Hint: not mindless streetfighting

    but the dimensions of gear and helm difficults this, the final point is, he does not stand, I STAND HIM, because if that is a street fight, the ground is the last place I want to stay, better controls him continuously moving back, this prevents him to take base, but he tap me and the fight is over.
    If you studied some real grappling, you'd learn how to hold him down without being stuck on the ground, or how to keep his posture broken without standing him up all the way.

    the same for people trained in that sports way, I can't compete tecnically, but somehow that unpredictable violent behaviour in fight gives me the victory.
    Are your techniques unpredictable to you, or just to your opponent?

    As a security officer, I saw this mechanics in disputes and fights, companions of mine trained in martial tactical things can't control or reduce a full adrenaline excited idiot whit muscles, and other companions who never trained, just jump over and put the idiot down whitout techique
    Maybe a person could TRAIN to deal with their adrenaline response without abandoning everything they know about technique?

    Also, what capacity is your security work? I've worked events, posted security patrol car driving and foot patrols, and what I've learned is that on the Internet, security guards like to think that their job is some sort of fistfighting Boba Fett, when its mostly waiting around and checking your watch.

    so never underestimate the power of violence, they are people out there who never train in martial or contact sports, but can beat easy a pro-fighter cause they have been educated in the **** side of life, and when we combine that, we get a Mike Tyson.
    Mike Tyson had a fucking world class boxing coach! Also, are you saying you can easily beat a pro fighter? Then do it. Since you say its easy, why don't you go and beat all of them. That'll prove us wrong.
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    And I take that advises and still working in the develpment, but also I keep in mind mindless violence and ''animal'' mentality can surpase technic and tactical/rythm sparring, specially when the type of training does not concern the ''full explosivity anaerobic'' use of forces and its limited to sport/tatami way.

    P.D: Its not adrenaline or fear response, its the way the person percibe the fight.
    Plus I don't think I can take off a pro-fighter in this moment whit just fists, probably just martial fattys, pro-tactical-fake/military instructors, wannabe samurais/ninjas, and others... but if a pro-fighter comes to **** me, I just run until I can escape or grab something to take advantage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seeg View Post
    And I take that advises and still working in the develpment, but also I keep in mind mindless violence and ''animal'' mentality can surpase technic and tactical/rythm sparring, specially when the type of training does not concern the ''full explosivity anaerobic'' use of forces and its limited to sport/tatami way.
    LOL. Keep typing. YOU use more safety gear than MMA, Kickbocing, boxing or Vale Tudo and here you sit trying to say sport is limited. Bwahahahahaaa

    Idiot..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seeg View Post
    And I take that advises and still working in the develpment, but also I keep in mind mindless violence and ''animal'' mentality can surpase technic and tactical/rythm sparring, specially when the type of training does not concern the ''full explosivity anaerobic'' use of forces and its limited to sport/tatami way.
    Your overreaching and ignorant assumtions bely your total lack of formal training.

    What makes you think "proffesional" fighters do not train for "explosive violence"?

    The fact is they do. They even have methods for countering explosive violence. THey even have explosive methods of their own.

    They also have a greater deal of experience, and the foundation of generational knowlege upon which they train and build.

    You are quite arrogant and missled if you think that your amature fumbling is superior to actual preasure tested training and technique.

    I also guarantee the guy that pratices his strikes ad nauseum in a controled manner is going to knock the fucking piss out you when the **** hits the fan. You wanna know how I know this?

    I've knocked the fucking piss out of people who were "exploding with animal violence".

    Patient, controlled heavy bag work, FTW!!!!
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