10/15/2012 10:23am, #61
10/15/2012 10:37am, #62
Okay, so the religious side of the Pilate story wasn't stressed where I went to school, but Roman-empire history got somewhat more attention. From what I recall--and wrong-as-hell it may be, Pilate was a procurator and then a prefect.
Both were basically administrative jobs. Badass-warrior he may or may not have been previously, but in jc's time, he had a desk job. Field commanders would do what they did and--unless he really had a reason to stir the pot, or one of the field officers was planning something really out-of-line--he'd basically rubber-stamp things.
This area of the roman empire would not have been much of a plumb assignment. More of a "Russian-front" assignment for a nazi officer who'd done something to piss off his superiors, but was well-connected enough that disappearing him outright was not a palatable option. Can't kill 'em, get 'em out of the way.
During the trial, Pilate askes jc "King of the Jews, are you then?"...to which jc answers "So you say".
Bit cheeky, but not much of a 'challenge'--especially from a 'messiah' also known for having advised people to 'render unto caesar his due, and render unto the lord his due'.
Pilate was in a bit of a pickle. There was a howling mob of Sanhedrin-incited fundies wanting jc's head on a platter. According to what I was taught (again, could be dead wrong), Pilate was described as reluctant to simply execute someone whom he just couldn't take as a serious threat--until he saw the howling mob.
Did Pilate judge jc? It seems that the mullahs of Jerusalem had already judged him as some kind of heretic/imposter/blasphemer whatever term they used. Given the nature of middle-eastern religions--even today in some areas--that would be enough to start the imams/inquisitors/whatever and their happy mobs a-howling for blood.
So...Pilate, to placate the screaming crowd, finally did their bidding and then washed his hands of the matter. Doesn't really seem to be much more to it than that. Pilate's job must have sucked, and he'd have tried, by keeping a lid on things where he was, to last long enough for transfer to a better one...
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10/15/2012 10:48am, #63
I dont believe in Plato or Shakespeare.King without a crown
10/15/2012 11:02am, #64
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Why the need to reduce the highest authority at the time in Jerusalem responsibility of this alleged event? People were crucified for much less, and often, especially non roman citizens. you try to insinuate that a roman prefect will give a damn about some jew stirring up ****. Or that he was a nice guy just trying to last in this sucky job of his...do you know how much ***** or mangina's this guy had? it was a time of slaves.....and high up roman citizens had a god like status.. If we are playing this theory game, and lets say all this power did not corrupt him to the core, and he wasn't a racist etc. He wanted and needed peace and taxes to send Rome. When some guy started to stir-up the streets, well, he more than likely was just angry with the man, and that is why he decided to crucify the guy instead of just killing him. I would assume the practices "Yeshua" went against on the Holy Temple made for some good money for Pontius.
10/15/2012 12:18pm, #65
1. No contemporary accounts currently exist.
2. With out them its hard for either side to "prove" it did or didn't happen.
Neither of these are a set up a strawman, as they are based on my argument and not me trying to define someone else position.
10/15/2012 12:31pm, #66"We often joke -- and we really wish it were a joke -- that you will only encounter two basic problems with your 'self-defense' training.
1) That it doesn't work
2) That it does work"
10/15/2012 1:36pm, #67
Do you have any other records for anyone's crucifixion during those years in Jerusalem? Logically then, we must assume that no one was crucified in Jerusalem at the order of Pontius Pilate.
There's skepticism & then there's pseudo-skepticism.
Which one do you want to think you are?
Do I need to go on?
Seriously, what are your credentials as a historian to be stating what is commonly accepted as proof?
10/15/2012 1:50pm, #68
The gods set forth their energies
The world shook and the seas trembled
In the battle to destroy me
The most arrogant beast of all.
10/15/2012 2:08pm, #69
10/15/2012 2:16pm, #70
I at no point name Goliath as a Palestinian.
Also, weather or not David ate the lions or the bears, he still used the damn sling for survival as lions and bears would have done a great deal of damage to his flock and or personal health and put his livelyhood into jepardy.
IE, he used the tool on a daily basis and developed great proficiency with it.
So where is it exactly you think we are splitting hairs? Or do you just need to interject an opinion to feel superior on the internets?