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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhi108 View Post
    No, I basically going to say you're full of **** and should probably shut the **** up.
    Ahh. Feels good to be back at bullshido.

    Back on topic: just for clarification - does anybody really believe that this duel really took place?
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    Road House
    This conversation is over.

    Lock the thread.

    RIP Dalton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nils View Post
    Back on topic: just for clarification - does anybody really believe that this duel really took place?
    I have no reason to doubt that it did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince Tortelli View Post
    So...because while bouncing you were able to block rocks and bottles thrown by idiots in bars, it is easy to block a sling launched projectile and thus slings are only viable weapons if used in an ambush scenario.
    Not slings. Rocks. Unlike rounds, their trajectory is not so fast as to be invisible, particularly from effective slinging distance.

    Am I an obnoxious jerk, or is anyone else getting a "Aikido/Ving Tsun easily defeats grappling because Road House" vibe from this line of reasoning?
    No, you're arguing for this brilliant scenario:

    You're facing a kid half your size who's whirling a loaded sling. You live in a time and place where executions by stoning were not uncommon; therefore, you know what damage a stone can do. You sure wouldn't want to get pinged in the eye, at the very least.

    Nevertheless, you will stand there and do nothing to prevent the kid's launched stone from reaching your head. No blocking with your weapon or shield. No parrying. No taking it on the forearm. No moving to avoid being a static target.

    Just stand there. Get stunned by the stone you knew was coming, and lie there stunned long enough to be killed.

    So forget Road House. You're being Master-Blaster, without Master.

    Very likely.
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    No, you're arguing for this brilliant scenario:

    You're facing a kid half your size who is IN A CROUCH. You live in a time and place where RUGBY is not uncommon; therefore, you know what damage BEING TACKLED TO THE GROUND can do. You sure wouldn't want to get THROWN DOWN ON THE BLACKTOP, at the very least.

    Nevertheless, you will stand there and do nothing to prevent the kid's ARMS from reaching your WAIST. No KNEEING HIM IN THE FACE. No EYE GOUGING. No taking it on the forearm. No moving to avoid being a static target.

    Just stand there. Get TAKEN DOWN by the TACKLE you knew was coming, and lie there stunned long enough to be ARMBARRED.
    Very likely.


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    The self-portrait was unnecessary but, um, thanks for sharing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vieux Normand View Post
    The self-portrait was unnecessary but, um, thanks for sharing.
    Alas for my poor heart! Surely tis cleft in twain by the rapier blade of your deft wit! Pray, kind sir, heap not derison pon mine head, but rather share more of your wisedom, of how easily some shaft shot or thrown may be dodged and blocked.
    Indeed, tis small wonder that ye warriors did cast aside their slings, javelins, and arrows, for so little killing did such tools do that only ye blade and club hath decided the fate of nations.
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    Alas for my poor heart! Surely tis cleft in twain by the rapier blade of your deft wit!
    But the koolest o' the koolaid hast thou attain'd.

    A fiend played base percentages and called false thy biblical tale. Moreover did this fiend claim that thy scrawny whelp could not, save by stealth, stun a giant champion fully-armoured with little more than a pebble plainly-seen. Stung by such heresy gainsaying thy most Catholic of tomes, thou hast tried the roles to reverse and accuse the doubter of TMA kool-aid whilst thou it was who upheld the tale least likely. Mayhaps in a Dillman pressure-point didst thy kosher champion strike yon brute with his puny stone.

    Pray, kind sir, heap not derison pon mine head
    No help needest thou in such matters, therein art thou a king self-made.

    but rather share more of your wisedom, of how easily some shaft shot or thrown may be dodged and blocked.
    'Tis plain thou knowest not that no 'shaft' a stone be. This tale remains as shaftless as thee.

    Olden-time slings were not made as those of today: no stretch in their cord had they. Force inertial must needs begun by force centrifugal: the sling, stone couch'd within, must needs be whirled at least once before targetward release. Lest Goliath be blind as Sampson, little skill would a trained warrior, nay a champion, need to see such preparation and raise shield, put up sword or lower helm in measure sufficient to deflect stony harm.

    Indeed, tis small wonder that ye warriors did cast aside their slings, javelins, and arrows, for so little killing did such tools do that only ye blade and club hath decided the fate of nations.
    Indeed did slings play but little role, catapults excepted; likewise did javelins see their wartime place shrink apace, while strongbows and crossbows allowed for longer flight of arrows until powder and ball, in fullness of time, likewise retired them.

    Would that your little jewish brat had wielded a crossbow.
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    So I went and checked your source.

    So Vegetius could have been a military intelligence or logistics planner.
    note the uncertainty
    While not a battlefield commander, the Emperor and his generals sure seemed to care what Vegetius had to say about military operations.
    That's your conclusion, the reception of the work, and how the emperor felt about it, is not given in this work.

    Milner lists at least a dozen possible leadership jobs he could have had...note he says "take for granted" as opposed to "probably" as you said....yes there is a big difference.
    Actually, it said 'may take it for granted' that something else then 'take it for granted', the former, in the eyes of a non native speaker, makes it awefully close to 'probably' especially when I read it in conjunction with all the previous uncertainties (highlighted)

    He was definitely an official with influence in Roman military affairs. He also must have had quite a lot of field experience, as he was very familiar with medical conditions among both troops and horses in the Roman Army. Again, from your source.
    page please? Can't find that part.
    Having experience with diseases does not necessarily imply field or battle experience.

    Milner, Ibid., pg. xxxv.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moenstah View Post
    note the uncertainty
    That's what I was noting, since you had said "probably" and we should both know based on Milner's into that there were really no probablies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moenstah View Post
    That's your conclusion, the reception of the work, and how the emperor felt about it, is not given in this work.
    Being asked by the Emperor of Rome to collect and analyze battle tactics is still a pretty important position, no? Why would that job be given to a complete civilian? Perhaps Vegetius was a sort of military scientist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moenstah View Post
    page please? Can't find that part.
    Having experience with diseases does not necessarily imply field or battle experience.
    Milner, Ibid., pg. xxxv.
    The entire intro minus a few pages is available for free review on Google Books (or you can purchase the whole thing). It goes into a lot of detail about how intimate he was with the "boots on the ground" experience and that he labored for improvements in the army throughout his career...whatever it was.

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