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    Hung Gar Eight Diagram Pole Demonstration 洪拳- (五郎八卦棍) By Sifu Leo Au Yeung

    This is Sifu Leo Au Yeung (Wing Chun fight choreographer for the "Ip Man" movies) in a neat demo video of the ng lung ba gwa gwan (五郎八卦棍), the Hung Ga 5th Brother's 8 Trigram Pole.

    Of particular note is the footwork, which has a 1000 year old reputation for delivering deadly power with the long staff.

    The form dates as far back as the Song dynasty (960 -1279 AD), when General Yang Wu lang, the 5th son of General Yang Ye, retired from the military and became a monk, devoting his monastic practice to adapting spear techniques to the staff.


    (If the music sounds familiar, it's the theme to "Vikings".)

    Here is my si gong doing the traditional Tang Fong version:



    Gordon Liu played a slightly fictionalized Yang Wu Lang in the Shaw Brother's classic "8 Diagram Pole Fighter"

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    Are the chinese staffs normally so flexible? The Japanese rokushaku bo I've handled were very stiff and not so flexible looking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    Are the chinese staffs normally so flexible? The Japanese rokushaku bo I've handled were very stiff and not so flexible looking.
    I agree in the first demo video he's using a relatively flexible staff. If you compare it to Si gong Yee's version, that is definitely a sturdier, tapered long staff you'd typically train with.

    It may not be obvious from videos but a special staff is usually used for this form. The staff is tapered and thinner at the tip and generally that end is used for striking, as opposed to most "double end" long staff forms, like the ones associated with Shaolin.

    The single ended pole is really trained and used like a wooden spear as well as a staff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    Are the chinese staffs normally so flexible? The Japanese rokushaku bo I've handled were very stiff and not so flexible looking.
    Generally waxwood staves are used, while the one he's using in the video is rattan. Rattan is very flexible in long lengths, moreso than waxwood. Like Wrabbit said, tapering staves are common in Southern kung fu. I've read that its from military spear fighting being brought to Shaolin from disenfranchised soldiers, who removed the spear tip for Buddhist reasons but kept the staff (which was tapered to counterbalance the spearhead). In that video, it looks like the staff isn't tapered (I'm not sure if you can even taper a rattan staff with the exception of a very gradual natural one). An untapered staff will whip and wiggle more than a tapered one due to the increase of weight in the business end. So yeah, he's got an especially flexible staff.

    A traditional Chinese waxwood staff, though, is definitely more flexible than a rokushaku bo of kashi or something.
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    Another perspective: I'm also told by my Sifu that especially flexible weapons are for great for show - it looks nice during demos and performances and you can sort of see the energy transfer from the footwork to the tool in your hand.
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    Flexible can also help strengthen grip and wrists since it requires greater control due to feedback.

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