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    Serious question.
    What is the appeal to Communism? We have yet to see a model of it working well in the real world. Even the inside of most communes are overly latent with drama about people pulling their own weight.
    I mean I get it in an extremely idolized sense equality and all that but in the real world it has proven to be a failing economic model virtually every time. I vote because not everyone is equal nor does everyone actually contribute to society equally.

    To be clear I am not poking fun at Hedge just trying to understand why a fairly intelligent person doesn't see what he is championing doesn't work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by W. Rabbit View Post
    Nope, especially considering Uranus does not, in fact, lie on an "ideal" 90 degree axial tilt.

    If we follow your logic, we'd expect to see that Uranus has no seasons, when in fact it does, although they take decades to change and are limited to the equatorial bands of the surface.



    He was right if you got only as far as 6th grade planetary astronomy.

    But like I already admitted you're obviously the astronomy pro here.

    I bow to your superior intellect and lack of need for sources. But my crayon Paint drawings are still the bomb.
    But it does have the largest percentage that never sees the sun.

    From Vieux Normand


    Not confusion, merely curiosity.

    Uranus is a planet with its axis sideways compared to the rest of the planets (bitch of a planet, should be facedown at least part of the time). It's one place where the sun don't shine.

    /asstrollogy
    LOL at the resident communist wanting to fight an old man. **** you Hedge.
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    LOL at the resident communist wanting to fight an old man. **** you Hedge.
    Well you could fight him in his stead
    That being said I have gotten my ass truly handed to me by old men in their 70s at both Judo and BJJ of course I totally suck at those things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    What is the appeal to Communism?
    According to judoka uk, in many parts of the world I would be considered a far right extremist, so anything I say on this subject should be taken with a grain of salt.

    Communism is appealing because who among us hasn't looked at the appalling mess made by tycoons, shadowy cabals of businessmen, and fat cats of various stripes and said "Oy vey! A mess they have made! I tell you, somebody in the government should do something about it!" This message becomes particularly appealing if you live somewhere were the gap between the rich and powerful few and the poor and unwashed many is as disgustingly large as it was in, say, WW1 Russia or the various South American countries, where said elite tended to be the left over rump of whatever European country stomped all over the natives orginally.

    And with Communism, somebody in the government WILL! Of course, what usually happens is that the government proves to be even more incompetent than tycoons, shadowy cabals dealing in smoke filled rooms, and fat cats, but that's beside the point.

    Also, intellectuals and wonks are attracted to Communism because it promises a world where everything, the economic, the political, etc. will be run by intellectuals and wonks.

    P.S.
    Et tu, Hedge? I thought you were an avowed anarchist? I know I didn't imagine the thread where we argued the military effectiveness of the Russian Anarchists vs the Confederate States of America, isn't Communism's all powerful state which frees the protelariat from the chains of the bourgeoise the exact opposite of the "reduce the power of the nation state" that is a tenet of anarchy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    Serious question.
    What is the appeal to Communism? We have yet to see a model of it working well in the real world. Even the inside of most communes are overly latent with drama about people pulling their own weight.
    I mean I get it in an extremely idolized sense equality and all that but in the real world it has proven to be a failing economic model virtually every time. I vote because not everyone is equal nor does everyone actually contribute to society equally.

    To be clear I am not poking fun at Hedge just trying to understand why a fairly intelligent person doesn't see what he is championing doesn't work.
    Well I will explain the points of the Leftist in my country

    **** that I'm tired
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    I think one of the most interesting conversations I have had on the subject was with a gentlemen from west Germany that bought a factory in east Germany after the wall came down.
    It pretty much boiled down to how bad the work ethic on that side of the border was because their was no intensive to do well or to look out for the factory. Things like they would let whole production batches get ruined because the production batches would finish and need to be pulled out of the oven but everyone would go on break at the same time and simply not worry about it.

    Story after story of this type of thing that even me as a pro-union and works right guy cringed at.

    It came down to another conversation I had with my Father-in-law who is from Soviet era Ukrain and he basically said that you had to have a totalitarian government when you use communism because its the only way it works
    this cute Aesop we have all heard about human nature

    Think about this...

    An economics professor said he had never failed a single
    student, but had once failed an entire class.

    The class (students) insisted that communism worked since no one would be
    poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer. The professor then said,
    "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on communism."

    "All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so
    no one will fail and no one will receive an A."

    After the first test the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The
    students who had studied hard were upset while the students who had
    studied very little were happy.

    But, as the second test rolled around, the students who had studied little
    studied even less and the ones who had studied hard decided that since
    they couldn't make an A, they also studied less. The second Test average
    was a D.

    No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around the average grade was an
    F.

    The scores never increased as bickering, blame, name calling, all resulted
    in hard feelings and no one would study for anyone else.

    To their great surprise all failed. The professor told them that socialism
    would ultimately fail because the harder people try to succeed the greater
    their reward (capitalism) but when a government takes all the reward
    away (communism) no one will try or succeed.

    Their is unfortunately quite a bit of truth in this Aesop.
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    Well I will explain the points of the Leftist in my country

    **** that I'm tired
    When your country gets a real economy then we will talk about the merits of your leftist.
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    It should be said,
    when I am not being absurd I would be willing to admit as countries go in South America Uruguay's economy is actually not "bad".
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    When your country gets a real economy then we will talk about the merits of your leftist.
    I congratulate you for the great effort and merits of borning in the usa that must been a real challenge!!

    Let us follow your little gringo thinking, you believe a poor country would be better off with a Hayekian capitalist system? US like goberment and economical and political ideas?
    a Laissez-faire thinking on economics?

    Now just for the sake of being the Latino revolutionary in this thread

    "They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America" -Fidel Castro

    LOLZ also at the all the far-left graffiti and newspapers in south america when the economic gringo crisis started "CAPITALISM IS DYING!11!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    It should be said,
    when I am not being absurd I would be willing to admit as countries go in South America Uruguay's economy is actually not "bad".
    and getting better and better!

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