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    Let me introduce you to sites that I think you may enjoy.
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    let me know what you think.
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    Let me introduce you to sites that I think you may enjoy.
    http://thegopleftme.com/
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    I perused and bookmarked both. Interesting factoids about past GOP presidents. Here's one I've been trying to agree with:

    http://cainsolutionsrevolution.com/home
    And one I actually thought could / would have made a difference.
    http://www.mikehuckabee.com/
    I would have voted for either of these men without reservation. I had high hopes that Cain would forge ahead, but he put his family first (can't blame him for that).

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    I make my decision on these based one evidence presented, instead of my emotional reaction.
    As a result especially lately I tend to vote Democrat.
    also the fact that socially I am extremely liberal I really don't care what consenting adults are doing with each other at all. Once again this maybe because I care more about the facts then the emotional bullshit
    I also tend to weigh social issues and policies higher then economic ones.
    I tend to like Social programs that in the end save us money in the long run, and dislike ones that are just money sinks. IE things like Scholarships and Grants tend to bear fruit.
    Subsidies are a case by case basis some make sense others are bullshit.

    What I can't stand is how political affiliation has become akin to religious affiliation. Arbitrarily chosen then blindly followed with no regard for fact. How intellectualism is considered a bad thing by a whole party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    I am extremely liberal I really don't care what consenting adults are doing with each other at all. Once again this maybe because I care more about the facts then the emotional bullshit
    I'm with you on this point. Consenting adults that don't bother others, don't bother me.
    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    I also tend to weigh social issues and policies higher then economic ones.
    I tend to like Social programs that in the end save us money in the long run, and dislike ones that are just money sinks. IE things like Scholarships and Grants tend to bear fruit.
    Subsidies are a case by case basis some make sense others are bullshit.
    I am 100% in favor of educational grants, the government funding studies on cures for diseases, and other think-tanks created to solve world problems. There must be a little Socialist in me when it comes to education. IMHO, aptitudes should be tested before wasting money on certain people training in fields they will never be able to work in. The only way to make this a better place, it to educate our youth. That having been said, not everyone is cut out to be an aerospace engineer or a neurosurgeon.
    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    What I can't stand is how political affiliation has become akin to religious affiliation. Arbitrarily chosen then blindly followed with no regard for fact. How intellectualism is considered a bad thing by a whole party.
    The real problem here is pseudo-intellectualism, not the real deal. I know a number of Bible-thumping Christians who are staunch Democrats, and one Atheist with Romney bumper-stickers plastered all over his Corvette.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slamdunc View Post
    The real problem here is pseudo-intellectualism, not the real deal. I know a number of Bible-thumping Christians who are staunch Democrats, and one Atheist with Romney bumper-stickers plastered all over his Corvette.
    I agree with you that pseudo-intellectualism is a huge problem. However I still contend that people really do blindly follow their political affiliation as if it was infallible and with a fervor that surpasses religion. The internet age doesn't help, its easy to get your opinion reaffirmed without having to read or hear a cogent argument put forth from the other side. Its really easy to strength ones basis without having to actually challenge their arbitrary belief.
    It leads to a lot of intellectual dishonesty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    Its really easy to strength ones basis without having to actually challenge their arbitrary belief.
    It leads to a lot of intellectual dishonesty.
    That is kind of where I was coming from with my previous rant. Then again, I don't know if it can be construed as intellectual dishonesty or merely people with a little information projecting themselves as intellectuals. I'm not really intelligent enough to know the difference.

    My mother once told me that two things in life shouldn't be argued outside one's circle: politics and religion. I hit both birds with one stone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slamdunc View Post
    My mother once told me that two things in life shouldn't be argued outside one's circle: politics and religion. I hit both birds with one stone.
    She is quite correct, the thing I would say though in a perfect world she wouldn't be right.
    People should be able to openly and objectively be able to talk about the two things.
    While religion is a matter of faith having an objective conversation is hard.
    Politics on the other hand should be something that people should be able to debate with the idea of trying to arriving at truth (instead of trying to be right).
    This is my issue with politics though people don't want to arrive at truth they have no desire for an honest debate they just want to be right they are so emotionally attached to their positions instead of doing whats smart and logical.
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    She is quite correct, the thing I would say though in a perfect world she wouldn't be right.
    Yeah, you nailed it; she was more concerned about a debate turning into a fist-fight, than about being misunderstood or proven wrong on points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slamdunc View Post
    I perused and bookmarked both. Interesting factoids about past GOP presidents. Here's one I've been trying to agree with:

    http://cainsolutionsrevolution.com/home
    And one I actually thought could / would have made a difference.
    http://www.mikehuckabee.com/
    I would have voted for either of these men without reservation. I had high hopes that Cain would forge ahead, but he put his family first (can't blame him for that).
    Cain had my vote. I fucking loved the **** out of his pizza.

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