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    Does this make Ronald Reagan responsible for this carnage?
    Ronald Reagan was in no way responsible for those acts, nor is President Obama responsible for what happened this week. Lots of people hate Americans, and these are crazy times; it was just a matter of time.
    My concern now, as it was in the 80's, is how the President will respond. I wouldn't want to be responsible for making those tough decisions.

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    Ronald Reagan was in no way responsible for those acts, nor is President Obama responsible for what happened this week. Lots of people hate Americans, and these are crazy times; it was just a matter of time.
    My concern now, as it was in the 80's, is how the President will respond. I wouldn't want to be responsible for making those tough decisions.
    Hahahahaha, You have no clue why he asked that question do you?
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    Dusty, in the 1980s when Ronald Reagan was president, our embassy in Lebanon was blown up twice. Both times Americans and lebanese workers were killed. Does this make Ronald Reagan responsible for this carnage?
    I was based at USMC base Camp Pendleton when the Iranians held our hostages for 444 days (IIRC). Iranian students here in the US, on student visas, were holding rallies for the mother land. We were ordered to stay clear. Carter was an ineffectual 'Commander in Chief'. A candy ass in my opinion.

    Once Regan was sworn in, the Iranians in effect said "here you go, we want no **** with you" and the hostages were freed.

    The Lebanese and USS Cole bombings were next. Many died.

    Still, this **** goes beyond politics. While I hope Obama is history in another couple of months, let's keep it real. We can't appease those who hate us for our perceived actions against their ignorant backwater selves.

    **** em. We don't belong there, in people or purse. Let the fuckers rot.

    Drill baby, drill and all that ****.

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    I'll put up US$100 to send our resident socialist, Hedge, to the negotiate with the bastards. Anyone else in?
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    Once Regan was sworn in, the Iranians in effect said "here you go, we want no **** with you" and the hostages were freed.
    Khomeini was smart not to test the Gipper.
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    Hahahahaha, You have no clue why he asked that question do you?
    Not at all. If it was bait, don't count my post as a 'bite'.
    Quote Originally Posted by hungryjoe View Post
    **** em. We don't belong there, in people or purse. Let the fuckers rot.
    Let them fight over their rocks, sand and oil. Let's drill in Texas again, then Alaska and when that runs out we can pay Mexico for their oil.

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    Not at all. If it was bait, don't count my post as a 'bite'.
    If it was, your "no" would make it a complete and other "bite."
    Bait? No just ignorance. The OP



    Sarcasm or rhetorical, Sam is commenting on the purposeful misinformation contained in the above meme. You know hypocrisy. As the same thing happened, under different circumstances, during Regan's watch. You know, the thing Dusty's little post ignored.
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    Many criticisms are possible of Barack Obama from a right-wing perspective, no doubt. But on the remote-controlled slaughter of Muslims issue he is rock solid.

    Is it a common sentiment amongst American wing nuts that the Arab world would be dramatically poorer without American involvement there? Genuine question. Are they aware of the percentages of that support that has historically been military aid to prop up regimes despised by their own people? When they talk about withdrawing into an isolationist stance are they including the Israelis?

    Is Dusty Mars unaware of any dramatic attacks on Americans that occurred under a Republican President? Cause I can think of one fairly minor one that we had a recent anniversary for, might have escaped his forensic scrutiny...
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    Does anyone here other then myself remember that Reagan, rather that frightening the Iranians into submission, ended up trading arms for hostages, resulting in the Iranians seizing even more American hostages? It really comprimises the "Reagan is a tough guy" "Carter was a naive wimp, narrative".

    Oh you don't need to believe me, read Bob Baer's book "See No Evil" He worked as a case officer for the CIA in Lebannon in the 1980s, and is a witness to much of the stupidity which happened.
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    It seems to have spread a little further than a few Middle Eastern sand pits, managed to get as far as the Antipodean sand pit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Browning View Post
    Does anyone here other then myself remember that Reagan, rather that frightening the Iranians into submission, ended up trading arms for hostages, resulting in the Iranians seizing even more American hostages? It really comprimises the "Reagan is a tough guy" "Carter was a naive wimp, narrative".

    Oh you don't need to believe me, read Bob Baer's book "See No Evil" He worked as a case officer for the CIA in Lebannon in the 1980s, and is a witness to much of the stupidity which happened.
    That was later. Unless Reagan had contact with Iran, the Iranians would have no way of knowing the nature of the new president. I see your point about the narrative, I suspect the Iranians did consider the implications and risks of the new president.
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