Thread: Violence vs free speech
9/13/2012 9:37pm, #101
I get that we're hurting for money, but keey-ripes! How many times does this have to happen before the costs of constructing a new embassy and training new personnel outweigh those of concrete, razor wire, search lights, etc?
9/13/2012 10:04pm, #102
Also **** people who kick hornet nests knowing that they aren't the ones going to get stung. Yes, it's barbaric to get so bent out of shape about a movie that you end up rioting and killing people, but this isn't a brand new fucking discovery.
The details that are coming out paint a picture that Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, a.k.a. Erwin Salameh, a.k.a. Mark Basseley, a.k.a Yousseff M. Basseley, a.k.a. Nicola Bacily, a.k.a. Sam Bassiel, a.k.a. Sam Basselley, a Coptic Christian and felon (intent to manufacture methamphetamine in 1997, probation violation in 2002, bank fraud in 2010, and the terms of his parole forbid him to use computers or the internet without his probation officer's approval until 2016) posed as "Sam Bacile," pretending to be an American Israeli backed by 100 Jewish financial donors, produced a film called Desert Warrior, edited and dubbed it into Innocence of Muslims, and worked with extremists Steve Klein and Terry Jones to promote the movie. So basically we have a Christian felon pretending to be a Jew for the purposes of inciting Muslims to riot.
**** that guy. I'm all for "I disagree with what you say but I will defend your right to say it," except when you are talking **** for the explicit purpose of incitement. Seriously, **** that guy.
9/13/2012 10:15pm, #103
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On a practical level, how are we going to have free speech unless their is "incitement"?
In any case, I see no reason to regulate people's speech in the US because of the beliefs of people in other countries.
9/13/2012 10:22pm, #104
You'd have to talk to a Constitutional scholar about that. The Supreme Court limits 1st Amendment protections in the case of "fighting words" and "incitement." When I say the video was intended to incite Muslims, I'm not claiming that it falls under the Court's Incitement doctrine--but this isn't necessarily a clear cut case of protected speech.
9/13/2012 10:52pm, #105
S 240.08 Inciting to riot. A person is guilty of inciting to riot when he urges ten or more persons to engage in tumultuous and violent conduct of a kind likely to create public alarm. Inciting to riot is a class A misdemeanor.
In my state "inciting to riot" is a person urging people to burn down an embassy. As in saying "LETS BURN DOWN AN EMBASSY!!" Yeaaahhhhh!!
Incitement to riot is NOT a person posting a youtube video that offended a bunch of people enough for THEM to decide on their own to riot, and burn down an embassy building. That's entirely on them......
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9/13/2012 10:53pm, #106
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Who am I to tell "Christians to the core" that they're wrong when they do stuff like this? I'm a Christian. What they do is so far off of what Jesus taught that they ignore it completely. When people misuse the Bible and Jesus to mess up the world, it's my job to call them out on it, and if it's in my power, to stop them. Same logic as martial artists stepping up to stop Bullshido.
I do wish that the quiet, peace-loving Muslims I know would take a public stand against such things. But then, there is this:
9/13/2012 10:56pm, #107
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9/13/2012 11:15pm, #108GET A RED BELT OR DIE TRYIN'.
9/14/2012 12:24am, #109
9/14/2012 1:55am, #110
Muslim kills a government official of a foreign power that killed dozens of civilians with airstrikes in his country: "Islam is 7th century bullshit."
Christian kills an abortion providing doctor: *sound of crickets*
Atheist does something horrible: "Well, there are bad people in every belief..."
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are the artistic and the criminal,
because they alone, by questioning the society's values,
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