Renzo Gracie vs NYC muggers

[simonifrius]

But they didn't, they said they wanted a cigarette after FOLLOWING him for what looks like (from the spacing of the tweets) over 10 minutes. Who does that? AND then when Renzo turned around to take a photo they "pretend they are looking at a window". Hmm suspicious behaviour for someone that wants a cigarette, isn't it?

And he hardly "hunted the second guy down", he was just round the block according to Renzo.

Granted, the tweets about hitting the muggers eye sockets and choking him out 3 times are quite bad, however they are irrelevant because there is NO WAY that the muggers will go to the police.

Nevermind. I need to read stuff before posting.

[Azatdawn]

Renzo said that if they had pulled a knife or gun he would have given over his wallet without resistance.

Ah, guess I missed that part. Anyway:

Perhaps he's better at judging that than most people since he was shot in a fight before moving to the USA, if I recall correctly.

Maybe, it still seems a little reckless. Since they followed him for so long there had been ways of escaping the situation without putting himself in more danger.

I realize there's a lot of "if this, if that" in this. I still feel like he did something more on the reckless side and got lucky.

[Bneterasedmynam]

what's the matter, you don't understand english? i could understand everything he said. i suppose i can relate, though, i have a hell of a time understanding people in illinois. what the hell is "pop"?

You must be speaking of southern Illinois, I can't understand those fuckers either.

[danno]

Maybe, it still seems a little reckless.

I agree, it was especially reckless to pursue the other one. Should really have left while it was safe to do so. He obviously got a little heated up.

I realize there's a lot of "if this, if that" in this. I still feel like he did something more on the reckless side and got lucky.

On the other hand the muggers were extremely unlucky that they chose Renzo Gracie as their target.

They were lucky that Renzo didn't decide to murder them both. He easily could have chosen to do that, or cause them permanent disfigurement. Instead he just wanted to "educate" them.

It could have turned out different, with weapons and whatnot, but in this instance their life was in his hands, not the other way around.

[RhinoUP]

Renzo is reminding me of Charles Bronson right now:)

[sambosteve]

I was talking about this the other day with Matt Phillips and while I don't think Renzo will see any trouble from this, seems he did cross a legal line by finding and attacking the guy who got away. That is no longer "self-defense." A DA looking for an easy win could prolly prosecute him if he could find the victim...especially since he so freely tells the story.

But, more bothersome to me is that we MMA folks in NY are doing everything to look good as we are fighting to have MMA legalized. Here you have prolly the most know MMA guy in NY going Bronson. Could be used against us later in debate.

[sambosteve]

He may have had too much fun, but somehow I think that this will go the way of that guy who killed the pervert. Public opinion in NYC will be ALL on Renzo's side. Who the gives a **** about street punk muggers? No one. If he gets in trouble all Renzo has to do is ask for a jury trial.

Not true at all. There is a very strong anti-MMA battle going on here in NY. This event will add frul to their agrument that we are all violent thugs.

[Bneterasedmynam]

Everyone knows that you MMA fuckers are just a bunch of violent dicks just waiting for the chance to pulverize people and give them racoon eyes. Seriously though MMA bouts are not legal in NY?? I hope this one incident doesn't **** it up for everyone there.

[RhinoUP]

Ny is the most pansy ass liberal city in the country...well other than san fran...mma at the garden is still a few years away.

The culrinary union and their vendetta against the fertitas isn't helping much either.

[Bneterasedmynam]

Yet they still allow football. I guess no one ever gets hurt in football.