Logical Fallacies and You? Ninjas!!!

**Gigatron** · Posted On: 9/03/2012 12:12pm

Originally Posted by baby_cart

why are they doing it wrong? :Thoughtful:

where are the teachers? are they supposed to correct? :Suspicious:

so who gets it? :DudeComeOn:

I'll tell you once HungryJoe proves his amazing prowess of martial arts knowledge that apparently understands the Tsuki.

Most 'teachers' think it's a basic punch and skip over the details if they even know them.

The only people I've ever known to correct these yoohoos doing the Tsuki wrong are Doron, Hatsumi, my Shidoshi or AKBAN instructors. Outside of that I've never seen it.

And yeah, I posted one of my fights in the thread titled "Ninjutsu" that got moved to YMAS because It Is Fake is salty at me for some reason and seems to think that body armor isn't used in MMA training camps or randori.

**PointyShinyBurn** · Posted On: 9/03/2012 12:16pm

So when you say you "do pro MMA" you mean that you train at an MMA gym, not that you have fought professionally?

When you ask someone to enumerate the "principals" of a shot, what exactly do you mean? You could say penetration, set-up/misdirection, keeping your back straight?

**ashkelon** · Posted On: 9/03/2012 12:16pm

Originally Posted by Gigatron

The Tsuki isn't a "lunge punch".

Wait ... Hatsumi and the Japanese Shihan are doing it wrong?
Are you Toda Sensei?

MODS can this be culled to YMAS? Apologies.

**hungryjoe** · Posted On: 9/03/2012 12:17pm

Originally Posted by Gigatron

Not yet, do you film your training? I really don't feel the need to do so. In fact I don't know any camps who film training outside of making promo videos lol.

Since you know the principals, name one.

There's at least three that make the Tsuki work that are the exact same ones for shooting in.

Your martial arts knowledge is now on blast son.

Movement starts from the back foot. A push you arrogant bastard. Utilized in everything from wrestling to tennis.

Son? I'm probably old enough to be your father.

How about providing some record of your professional fighting prowess to this old fart and the others reading your chest thumping tripe?

**hungryjoe** · Posted On: 9/03/2012 12:22pm

And, if I may inquire, who is your shidoshi?

**Gigatron** · Posted On: 9/03/2012 12:22pm

Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn

So when you say you "do pro MMA" you mean that you train at an MMA gym, not that you have fought professionally?

When you ask someone to enumerate the "principals" of a shot, what exactly do you mean? You could say penetration, set-up/misdirection, keeping your back straight?

What the Hell? Bro, I can't make it any clearer. Maybe you missed something. I just said I fight professionally and posted one of my matches.

Back to your other statement, since HungryJoe didn't answer yet. You named several of the points that involve proper Tsuki usage, mainly set up and misdirection. The eyes can telegraph movement from the shoulders, this is common when shitty wrestlers go to grab your legs, you see it a mile away. Keeping your shoulders on a horizontal plane doesn't trigger the early warning from your eyes as easily, so it's set up/misdirection that makes it work, it's not done as an opening punch lol. It's done after a jab or some type of misdirection/feint. Even a bogus shin kick would misdirect them to shincheck and thus stay in one spot temporarily allowing you to spear right through them with the strike, a proper tsuki is basically a hidden cross utilizing all of the body weight moving forward and then stopped upon impact to prepare the next strike/move/escape/whatever [ in most situations, there are some weapon situations that use a different weight ratio ].

EDIT: You posted while I was typing ; ). And yeah you probably are a hell of a lot older than me. And my Shidoshi has nothing to do with my view points or internet debates so his name will remain out of this for respect.

**Gigatron** · Posted On: 9/03/2012 12:24pm

Originally Posted by ashkelon

Wait ... Hatsumi and the Japanese Shihan are doing it wrong?
Are you Toda Sensei?

MODS can this be culled to YMAS? Apologies.

I said they have corrected others doing it wrong, not that they do it wrong. Can you really not read Ashkelon or are you just trolling me?

EDIT you obviously cannot read. There is no way you can take what I said in any other context. He asked why don't people correct them I stated only a few do and listed those who have done the correcting and you manage to get " they do it wrong!? "

" The only people I've ever known to correct these yoohoos doing the Tsuki wrong are Doron, Hatsumi, my Shidoshi or AKBAN instructors. Outside of that I've never seen it. "

My God you're idiotic.

**ChenPengFi** · Posted On: 9/03/2012 12:28pm

Actually, you're the idiot G.
Please go study these and endeavor to not use them any longer,
that is if you wish to not be such an idiot.

http://www.bullshido.org/Bullshidoka_Arguments

**Gigatron** · Posted On: 9/03/2012 12:31pm

Originally Posted by ChenPengFi

Actually, you're the idiot G.
Please go study these and endeavor to not use them any longer,
that is if you wish to not be such an idiot.

http://www.bullshido.org/Bullshidoka_Arguments

I answered the question I was asked, and was misquoted. Exactly how am I being idiotic? Nice fail kid.

**ChenPengFi** · Posted On: 9/03/2012 12:35pm

Originally Posted by Gigatron

I answered the question I was asked, and was misquoted. Exactly how am I being idiotic? Nice fail kid.

I'm old enough to be your dad, son.
Read all of those fallacies, and if you have a modicum of honesty you'll see that you use them consistently.
That makes you an idiot, the lack of logic in your posting.