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  1. WhiteShark is offline
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    Wow amazing documentation that I haven't seen posted before:
    http://www.adtdl.army.mil/cgi-bin/at...25.150/ch3.htm

    3-42~45 basic Guillotine positions I think the escapes may be in chapter 4 I'm still looking.

    Chapter 5 has 2 standing Guillotine escapes but not the guard stack I'm talking about.
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    Fucking cool man.
    Fighting evil and upholding justice in blue silk pajamas baby!
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    Originally posted by WhiteShark
    Wow amazing documentation that I haven't seen posted before:
    http://www.adtdl.army.mil/cgi-bin/at...25.150/ch3.htm

    3-42~45 basic Guillotine positions I think the escapes may be in chapter 4 I'm still looking.

    Chapter 5 has 2 standing Guillotine escapes but not the guard stack I'm talking about.
    Cool website for grapple noobs
    Too bad both men in the pictures are wearing camouflage clothes so it's hard to see who does what exactly.
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    Huge list of techniques from various websites. I haven't seen this posted before either.

    http://www.canalvaletudo.galeon.com/tecnicas.htm
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    The military guide is a very nice resource.

    I wonder why they have so much grappling, though. As useful as grappling is, if I were in the brush and bullets were flying everywhere, I don't think that I'd want to be rolling around back and forth on the ground tied up with one guy if I could help it.

    I guess the idea must be like it's a contingency or something in case someone tackles the soldier.
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    Originally posted by Wounded Ronin
    The military guide is a very nice resource.

    I wonder why they have so much grappling, though. As useful as grappling is, if I were in the brush and bullets were flying everywhere, I don't think that I'd want to be rolling around back and forth on the ground tied up with one guy if I could help it.

    I guess the idea must be like it's a contingency or something in case someone tackles the soldier.
    You think so? I thought they would hide in the bushes without those violent weapons and wait until someone almost steps on them so they can sub him.
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    Originally posted by WhiteShark
    Huge list of techniques from various websites. I haven't seen this posted before either.

    http://www.canalvaletudo.galeon.com/tecnicas.htm
    Another great find WS. UR sharp today!!

    Ah, plenty of deadly techniques I see. Forget anti-grappling, I'm gonna omo-plata-from-single-leg ur ass now :D
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    Originally posted by Osu
    You think so? I thought they would hide in the bushes without those violent weapons and wait until someone almost steps on them so they can sub him.

    Well, what I meant is that if a situation does arise where the soldier is using hand to hand combat it seems to me like it would be more sensible in the context of a skirmish to attempt knifing/striking/bludgeoning first and use grappling only as a last resort.
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    Need I explain that grappling is the deadly? LOL

    The military website has the following to say about the grapple vs the strike:

    d. Chokes. Chokes are the best way to end a fight. They are the most effective way to incapacitate an enemy and, with supervision, are also safe enough to apply in training exactly as on the battlefield.

    e. Joint Locks. In order to incapacitate an enemy, attacks should be directed against large joints such as the elbow, shoulder, or knee. Attacks on most of these joints are very painful long before causing any injury, which allows full-force training to be conducted without significant risk of injury. The exceptions are wrist attacks and twisting knee attacks. The wrist is very easily damaged, and twisting the knee does not become painful until it is too late. Therefore, these attacks should be taught with great care and should not be allowed in sparring or competitions.

    f. Striking. Striking is an inefficient way to incapacitate an enemy. Strikes are, however, an important part of an overall fight strategy and can be very effective in manipulating the opponent into unfavorable positions. Striking can be practiced with various types of protective padding such as boxing gloves. Defense can be practiced using reduced force blows. Training should be continuously focused on the realities of fighting.
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    I think it's not a bad idea, escpecially if you got some sort of a long sleeve shirt on, you can sleeve ckoke. I think a head and arm lock may be more useful since once your on the ground you can make sure his arm is underyou and turn him more easily.
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