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  1. Wounded Ronin is offline
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    Guillotine vs. shoot

    Is a guillotine a reasonable counter to a single or double leg shoot? (In other words, when someone attempts to shoot you, is it a reasonably effective counter to scoop an arm under and attempt to guillotine the shooter?)
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    Sure.Its a great idea.Works every time, until the guy shooting finds out the defenses.
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    depends on the position of their upper body and head I do believe.
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    Thanks for the advice, guys.
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    Originally posted by Strong Machine
    Sure.Its a great idea.Works every time, until the guy shooting finds out the defenses.
    Which is . . .

    I'm worried about this one because so far I'm having good luck with the guillitine vs. shoot. What do I fall back on if I **** up the guillitine . . . or he just ..er .. 'blocks' it. ?
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    Well usually i slip right out of guillitines gi less. Gi however is a diff story. I usually keep my chin down to defend being caught. If I do I slam the guy hard then schuk my head out.
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    Which leaves you where? In his guard? If I can't get a guillitine proper I'll usually end up with like one arm between his neck and shoulder and the other reaching across his back and coming in back under his armpit so I've got him held with my arms sort of the way your legs would have him in a triangle...I think. Either way I am usually pulling guard on the way down. If I've got the guillitine it seems like the easiest way to get enough pressure for a tap is to just sit down. If I get the other hold, no sub but great control.

    Fill me in. I am acutely aware that this is not my best area but . . .so far so good ya know.
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    Omar, I thought as you did until 2 weeks ago when I asked my coach how to get out of a half-Guillotine. you can see in the Throwdown videos I really like Guillotine and thought it was pretty sweet. But it turns out it's actually not that hard to get out of. Unfortunately I am not going to be able to explain it well over the internet. My coach had to physically show me.

    The idea is to stack them and put pressure on them with your shoulder then kinda walk around towards the lower arm. It eventually pops your head out all the while putting a ton of pressure on the guy holding the guillotine.

    I'll look for some pictures.
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    Originally posted by WhiteShark
    The idea is to stack them and put pressure on them with your shoulder then kinda walk around towards the lower arm. It eventually pops your head out all the while putting a ton of pressure on the guy holding the guillotine.

    I'll look for some pictures. [/B]
    Thanks. What I really need is someone around here who actually understands what a guillitine or a half guillitine is. Thanks for the terminology on the not-quite-a-guillitine that I get sometimes. I heard a rumor about a University in the area with a Judo club. It's a little weird though because my teacher is one of those guys who's so traditional he might get pissed off if he heard I was training on the side with someone else. If they have a club and I can just roll with some guys and there's no other teacher involved, then it's probably ok.

    I know that kind of thinking isn't too popular around here but that's where I'm at and I think it's worth it for what I'm getting.

    Anyways, if I had someone who could put a proper guillitine on ME then I might be able ti figure it out with the aid of a couple pics. Heck, that's actually how I learned the guillitine to begin with and it's been working like a charm so far.
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