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1/02/2013 8:08am



Style: BJJ/C-JKD/KAAALIII!!!!!!!7
Grappling should only be taught by qualified instructors with formal instruction in grappling.
This does not include the majority of karate instructors who have not cross-trained in a grappling art.
Yes, I am perfectly aware of the various kata bunkai that are grappling techniques. I own the majority of Abernethy's books & videos.
But just buying a video or reading a book does not make you qualified to teach grappling, even if you've practice Bassai for decades.
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Posted On:
1/02/2013 8:59am
Style: Karate0
Karate certainly includes grappling--sweeps, throws, chokes, joint locks and controlling techniques, but very little groundwork--mostly based on Chin-Na (Chinese joint locking and choking techniques) and Tegumi (Okinawan wrestling similar to sumo). Some styles/instructors have passed these techniques on and as long as they are trained realistically there are plenty of great grappling techniques to be learned from karate. I don't think that you necessarily NEED to cross train in a grappling martial art to learn some valuable grappling skills, but cross training in a grappling art WILL vastly improve your grappling skills. If you train in a style (or an under an instructor) that does not pass along the grappling techniques of karate, though, then you will either need to find someone who does teach those techniques, start cross training in a grappling art, or both.
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1/03/2013 12:28am
Style: Kyokushin Karate--
Agreed. I talked to my sensi about grappling. He suggested I take a year of Judo to get a good base and understanding of the art then work karate and akido throws due to me being 5'8 170 lbs. He said Judo throws are hard to perform on someone a good deal bigger than me. Plus, I want to learn the ground grappling that Judo teaches.
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Posted On:
1/03/2013 1:38am
Style: Judo5
Doing anything martial arty against a bigger person is hard, having to deal with the reach and strength advantage as well as moving a larger person into a sub-optimal position requires timing and skill that will take longer then a year to acquire (as will gaining any semblance of an understanding). That being said judo will teach you how to throw a bigger guy, I stand a whopping 5ft 8in and tip the scales at 180 lbs, one of my regular training buddies is 6ft 4in 230ish and I can throw him some what regularly.
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Posted On:
1/03/2013 2:01am
Style: Kyokushin Karate--
I'm sure I will take it longer than a year. That's good to know with enough training that even at 5'8 I'll be able to throw bigger people. I just picked up the book "mind over muscle" by Jigoro Kano. Being how educated he was and the founder of Judo, I'm expecting a good read. Just from what I've seen of Judo the footwork is quite a bit different from Kyokushin footwork. It will be a task to merge the two into an effective fighting style. -
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Posted On:
1/03/2013 2:10am
Style: Judo--
Really all of my judo readings have been more technique based then philosophical, you will have to tell me if it is any good.
How long have you been doing judo? My experience is that at 3 years in I am finally figuring out what suits me best...although I have thought this before so maybe 6 months from now I will be saying this all again. -
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Posted On:
1/03/2013 2:31am
Style: Kyokushin Karate--
I haven't even started my Judo journey yet. I just started my martial arts path Nov 29th in Kyokushin Karate. I'm fighting in a tournament this April so I'm dedicating 5 days a week to karate. After the tournament I plan to train Karate two days a week and Judo two days a week. As for the reading, I'm big into the eastern mindset of martial arts. I'll read anything I can get my hands on regarding the philosophy of a martial art or Budo.



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Posted On:
1/02/2013 4:28am
Style: Kyokushin Karate
Traditional Karate Grappling