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    This is why Tor can be a risk, but then again if you're using Tor, you are probably already engaging in some sort of risky business.

    Yes, that includes offering to shuttle other people's online activities around under the false guise of anonymity.

    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2...er-his-servers

    Tor operator charged for child porn transmitted over his servers
    Austrian man is latest to be held responsible for traffic passing through Tor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by W. Rabbit View Post
    This is why Tor can be a risk, but then again if you're using Tor, you are probably already engaging in some sort of risky business.

    Yes, that includes offering to shuttle other people's online activities around under the false guise of anonymity.

    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2...er-his-servers
    Non-sequitor. If you're using a TOR client, that's different from operating an exit node or other TOR router. I think maybe you mean FreeNet, in which it is almost guaranteed that you'll end up hosting some rather nefarious ****.
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    Meh if the NSA wants to look at the same boobies I do fine with me. I am happy that their are methods to help.
    When we actually enter a thought police state I will make the effort to keep my traffic private using proxies and cutouts and TOR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daddykata View Post
    Non-sequitor. If you're using a TOR client, that's different from operating an exit node or other TOR router. I think maybe you mean FreeNet, in which it is almost guaranteed that you'll end up hosting some rather nefarious ****.
    Please read my post again. I don't think you understood my point or what I meant by "risk".

    Remember that the seizure of the exit router is only the beginning, and LEF will then begin to peel the onion to find the source and that means the hammer drops on more intermediaries.

    The risk of using TOR (whether your own purpose is legal or otherwise) is to trust your traffic to 3rd party unknowns. The risk of routing TOR is a bit more obvious, as this exit router owner is now finding out, that can mean trafficking someone else's contraband.

    From the TOR abuse FAQ itself:
    But remember that this doesn't mean that Tor is invulnerable. Traditional police techniques can still be very effective against Tor, such as investigating means, motive, and opportunity, interviewing suspects, writing style analysis, technical analysis of the content itself, sting operations, keyboard taps, and other physical investigations. The Tor Project is also happy to work with everyone including law enforcement groups to train them how to use the Tor software to safely conduct investigations or anonymized activities online
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    Quote Originally Posted by W. Rabbit View Post
    Nope, go read my post again. I don't think you understood my point.
    I don't think you made a point - I think you spoke out your ass again.

    First, you opined that there is no legitimate (i.e. non-risky business) use of TOR:
    Quote Originally Posted by W. Rabbit
    if you're using TOR, you are probably already engaging in some sort of risky business.
    Then, you conflated that thought with:
    Quote Originally Posted by W. Rabbit
    Yes, that includes offering to shuttle other people's online activities around under the false guise of anonymity.
    There is no requirement that a TOR user "shuttle other people's online activities," in order to use TOR. You can effectively use TOR and never touch another person's traffic.

    Furthermore, you positioned this last as something that people would think is the least risky, however - as anyone technically familiar with TOR, INCLUDING THE GUY IN THE ARTICLE YOU POSTED would tell you, being the exit node is the position with the greatest risk.

    The guy in the article didn't get in trouble for using TOR - he got in trouble for hosting a TOR exit node. That does not translate into risk for the casual TOR user.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daddykata View Post
    I don't think you made a point - I think you spoke out your ass again.
    I did make a (extremely well-qualified, backed with practical experience) point, but in your rush to judgement on matters that you marginally understand, you erred, even though I had fleshed out my point to clarify for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by daddykata View Post
    First, you opined that there is no legitimate (i.e. non-risky business) use of TOR:
    Nope, more comprehension fail combined with a straw man on your part. Now go read my previous posts in the thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by daddykata View Post
    There is no requirement that a TOR user "shuttle other people's online activities," in order to use TOR. You can effectively use TOR and never touch another person's traffic.
    I was right: you don't understand my point, or what I meant by "TOR user".

    Quote Originally Posted by daddykata View Post
    To sum up: I don't know what I'm talking about.
    Fixed.

    Yes, you are a "scrub" when it comes to this subject.
    Last edited by W. Rabbit; 11/30/2012 3:43pm at . Reason: Sorry!
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    Quote Originally Posted by W. Rabbit View Post
    Nope, more comprehension fail on your part. Now go read my previous posts in the thread.
    Umm, you have 1 other post in this thread. There is 0 continuity between that and your next, which is the one I responded to.

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    I was right: you don't understand my point.
    No, I was right - you don't have a point, you're talking out of your ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daddykata View Post
    Umm, you have 1 other post in this thread. There is 0 continuity between that and your next, which is the one I responded to.
    Nope, now I have five, and you've failed to read any of them successfully, or you might deduce I know quite a lot about TOR and the risks of using it (regardless of how YOU choose to define "use").
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    Wow. That's fucking Draconian.
    This is precisely the sort of thing we need to rail against.
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