Why's almost everyone anti strength training?

**Lindz** · Posted On: 4/15/2013 1:19am

I dunno if I should put this here or in the PT forum. Anyway it seems like every dojo/training gym etc I've looked at around here either has no weight facilities or just circuit training conditioning classes where you have to do what the class does.

If they're asking you to pay over $100 a month to cover all ranges of unarmed combat under the sun is it too much to ask that they have even just a basic barbell setup?

**Eudemic** · Posted On: 4/15/2013 1:38am

Originally Posted by Lindz

Anyway it seems like every dojo/training gym etc I've looked at around here either has no weight facilities or just circuit training conditioning classes where you have to do what the class does.

You're paying for MA instruction. It's not that they're necessarily against strength training, just that they aren't oriented towards it as much as they are towards improving your abilities as a fighter through MA instruction.

If you want strength training, find a cheap gym with some free-weights. . .

**Lindz** · Posted On: 4/15/2013 1:40am

MMA gyms around here are usually 5-7 nights a week. You're not getting your money's worth if you have to go somewhere else on top of that

Maybe not everyone's anti strength training. But it's offerred nowhere. And I spoke to a guy promoting one of the local places. He seemed to think that body weight and kettle bells was all the weights you needed.

Personally at my size weight and (lack of) strength I'd be stupid not to work on strength and MA skill together.

**Eudemic** · Posted On: 4/15/2013 1:53am

How long have you been training for? And what is your height/weight like?

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=82170

The above is a good thread to read through in terms of the relationship between strength training and striking.

**Lindz** · Posted On: 4/15/2013 2:29am

JUdo on and off about 3 years
Lifting a bit less than that. Much more consistent than the judo lately
I just had to quit judo to go back to school

about 6ft 185

**Eudemic** · Posted On: 4/15/2013 2:44am

. . . I'll admit I'm kind of confused about what your goals are at the moment. Are you lifting to improve your Judo/fighting? Or is the strength training only tangentially related to the MA?

Based on your height/weight and time in-system, I think you'd get greater benefit to your Judo from technical practice than from the strength training, but I guess I don't know if that's what you're actually looking for at the moment.

**ChenPengFi** · Posted On: 4/15/2013 2:48am

I guess it all depends where you are but i'm guessing it is usually more a matter of student demand and prioritizing class times.
Heck we have a thread lamenting warm-ups recently.
To top it off many schools don't have enough qualified instructors/time-slots/floor-space/equipment-budget as it is.

Our local BJ Penn/UFC gym on the other hand, goes just a tad overboard on the fitness end of things, perhaps.
Here's just their fitness class menu:

BARBELL CONDITIONING
BEGINNING FUNCTIONAL FITNESS
BELLY DANCING
BELOW THE BELT
BOXING SKILLS
BRUTAL BARRE
CARDIO FUNK
CIRCUIT BREAKER
COMBAT CHALLENGE
CORE COMBAT
CORE VINYASA
COUNTRY LINE DANCING
FLEX30
FLEXIBLE STRENGTH
FUNCTIONAL CONDITIONING
FUNCTIONAL30
HARD-CORE CARDIO
HARDCORE CONDITIONING
HI-DEFINITION
HI-OCTANE CONDITIONING
HOT FUSION
HOT HULA
INSANITY CIRCUIT BREAKER
KICKASS KICKBOXING
KILLER CORE
KILLER PSYCLE & CORE
MAXIMUM ABS
MAXIMUM BODY CONDITIONING-30
ON THE ROPES
PIYO
POUND ROCKOUT WORKOUT
POWER TRAIN
PSYCLE
PSYCLE CIRCUIT
PUNISHING PILATES
RIPPED PSYCLE
S.W.E.A.T
SHOCK YOGA
SPECIAL EVENT- BRAZILIZIAN JIU JITSU WORKSHOP
STREET JAMZ WERKOUT
SAMBA AEROBICS
TRIPLE SLAM
TOTAL CORE CRUNCH
U-JAM
UFC SENIOR FIT
ULTIMATE BREAKERS
ULTIMATE FUNDAMENTALS
VINYASA YOGA
WARRIOR CHALLENGE
WOMEN'S SELF DEFENSE
X-TREME LATIN CARDIO
YIN YOGA
YOGA
ZUMBA
16-Personal Training

http://www.ufcgym.com/honolulu/progr...s_descriptions

**Lindz** · Posted On: 4/15/2013 2:50am

Originally Posted by Eudemic

. . . I'll admit I'm kind of confused about what your goals are at the moment. Are you lifting to improve your Judo/fighting? Or is the strength training only tangentially related to the MA?

Based on your height/weight and time in-system, I think you'd get greater benefit to your Judo from technical practice than from the strength training, but I guess I don't know if that's what you're actually looking for at the moment.

I want to be strong and able to kick ass. I'm woefully bad at both so they both need a lot of work. I just can't seem to find a situation where I can work on both at once without spending too much money,.

Although any further ass kicking skill acquisition will have to wait until after schooling.

I might also switch judo for something else because class is monday and friday which are the worst for my energy levels. And the current sensei spends too much time talking and tries to cover too many techniques in a class but that's really a tangent

**Eudemic** · Posted On: 4/15/2013 2:54am

Does your school have a wrestling team you could join? That would help further your ass-kicking, and likely grant you access to whatever fitness facilities your school has.

**ChenPengFi** · Posted On: 4/15/2013 2:54am

Do you lack the discipline or resourcefulness to do it on your own?
There's quite a bit you can do on your own, if you're as weak as you say, without spending a lot of money.