Etiquette in BJJ - Did I violate it?

**tangler** · Posted On: 8/24/2012 7:46pm

No, she was definitely mad. You dont make an ad hominem personal attack like "something is seriously wrong with you if you try to tap me in my guard" if you aren't mad. Besides, all the other symptoms of anger were present. Trust me, I was there.

**DKJr** · Posted On: 8/24/2012 7:47pm

Choking someone from inside the guard isn't the best idea.

You're being a noob, it's ok. Just try to pass next time.

**Rivington** · Posted On: 8/24/2012 7:49pm

Originally Posted by tangler

No, she was definitely mad. You dont make an ad hominem personal attack like "something is seriously wrong with you if you try to tap me in my guard"

That's not an ad hominem. "Your dick is to small for me to learn anything from you," or "Of course you'd try to tap me out from my guard; you're an Armenian" would be.

Another example of an ad hominem:

Is it commonplace to go easy on women in BJJ? This seems against the whole point of training; she would be getting a false sense of her ability if that were the case and wouldn't know how to handle someone stronger.

So you think she was sore because she was a woman, and not because she seemed to know a bit more than you did. (This is what the other people in the thread are telling you for the most part.) If a buff male black belt, or even one of your exact strength and build had told you the same thing, would you have come here to wonder aloud if people were just going easy on them, which is against the whole spirit of training?

Besides, all the other symptoms of anger were present. Trust me, I was there.

You were hardly an objective observer of the encounter.

**tangler** · Posted On: 8/24/2012 7:51pm

Originally Posted by itwasntme

Tangler, what's your rank in BJJ? I only ask because if you knew enough about BJJ to know when people muscled a technique or just used, well, technique then you likely would not be here asking your OP.

I get your point, but it really doesn't matter if I know when I am being muscled or not, because I know when people are going for the tap or to teach/learn. Being a white belt (to answer your question) I have experienced both in regards to how much they let me learn in the roll and there is a difference. Its based on how much room the opponent gives for error, if they let you finish the attack even if they can escape and vice-versa, stuff like that.

**tangler** · Posted On: 8/24/2012 7:53pm

Originally Posted by Rivington

That's not an ad hominem. "Your dick is to small for me to learn anything from you," or "Of course you'd try to tap me out from my guard; you're an Armenian" would be.

You were hardly an objective participant in the encounter.

Saying that there is something SERIOUSLY WRONG WITH ME (bolded not to yell, but to highlight) is pretty unnecessary in that situation. I would equate that to anger.

**Rivington** · Posted On: 8/24/2012 8:06pm

Originally Posted by tangler

Saying that there is something SERIOUSLY WRONG WITH ME (bolded not to yell, but to highlight) is pretty unnecessary in that situation. I would equate that to anger.

I know you would. I don't think you're lying; I just think you've mistaken frustration with your spazzitude with anger and bitterness over your move.

**tangler** · Posted On: 8/24/2012 8:11pm

Originally Posted by Rivington

I know you would. I don't think you're lying; I just think you've mistaken frustration with your spazzitude with anger and bitterness over your move.

my spazzitude is the result of the reaction I got for trying to perform the move, a reaction which I didn't expect. I am by no means angry, perhaps a little bitter, but mostly over her irrational irritation.

But this is a useless point to argue about because there is no evidence to support or refute my claim.

**ChenPengFi** · Posted On: 8/24/2012 8:15pm

Originally Posted by tangler

ChengPengFi:
That may be so. But TBH, most of the guys I roll with are trying to win, using brute strength when they don't have the technique just to edge in a victory. I don't see what is wrong with trying to keep up and win as well. Most people in my school seem to roll to win, maybe they shouldn't, and there are those that don't, but it does make it more fun sometimes.

Be that as it may, yep, you're a douche.
I'll just leave you with these:
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=91604
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=108818

**jspeedy** · Posted On: 8/24/2012 8:17pm

If you're crushing the trachea during a guillotine you're doing it wrong.You're probably also being a dick.Sounds like you know you're doing the move wrongSo change it. No wonder she was pissed.

**tangler** · Posted On: 8/24/2012 8:30pm

Originally Posted by jspeedy

If you're crushing the trachea during a guillotine you're doing it wrong.You're probably also being a dick.Sounds like you know you're doing the move wrongSo change it. No wonder she was pissed.

Im not crushing the trachea, and no one has complained. Please don't make assumptions. I was only asking because I had heard it can be bad for you to do any choke in that area.

But I do think you guys are right. I didn't break any etiquette per-say, but I was being a dick by trying to tap her instead of practice necessary skills.