Norway sucks

**Rene "Zendokan" Gysenbergs** · Posted On: 8/24/2012 3:04pm

The maximum sentence that can be given under Norwegian law is 21 years, but after that first incarceration is done, he will get another one of 21 years and another one and another one.
Breivik will leave that prison in a coffin.

European countries have abolished the deadpenalty because it's very difficult to reverse a sentence when you find out that the perp was infact innocent after you already have executed them.

To guarantee that justice will be done, we try here to keep sentiment and revenge out of the court system, but base the case on law and evidence. Unfortunally we are human and finding an unpartial jury can sometimes be difficult, especially with cases like Breivik.

**Rivington** · Posted On: 8/24/2012 3:14pm

Originally Posted by Bneterasedmynam

Fixed.

Please provide evidence that the victims' families were calling for the killer's execution.

**Bneterasedmynam** · Posted On: 8/24/2012 3:21pm

Originally Posted by Rene "Zendokan" Gysenbergs

The maximum sentence that can be given under Norwegian law is 21 years, but after that first incarceration is done, he will get another one of 21 years and another one and another one.
Breivik will leave that prison in a coffin.

European countries have abolished the deadpenalty because it's very difficult to reverse a sentence when you find out that the perp was infact innocent after you already have executed them.

To guarantee that justice will be done, we try here to keep sentiment and revenge out of the court system, but base the case on law and evidence. Unfortunally we are human and finding an unpartial jury can sometimes be difficult, especially with cases like Breivik.

I do agree that there are cases were the death penalty can be a bad thing, but it's not like there wasn't sufficient proof on this one, literally the smoking gun. Plus how bad does someone have to be before we as a society say it's just not worth it to house and feed them?? I mean damn he fucking killed 71 people most of them children. He is a waste of air. And having the maximum be 21 years just gives opportunity down the road for him to get out after the masses have forgot about this story. I just don't understand why anyone would want to waste their tax dollars on someone like that.

**tershul** · Posted On: 8/24/2012 3:25pm

For those of you who still don't get it/are interested in the specifics of Norwegian law:
www . ilafengsel . no / preventive_detension . html
A fact sheet describing preventive detention, or "forvaring".
Key point: "This implies that preventive detention in principle may lead to a life-time in prison."

**Bneterasedmynam** · Posted On: 8/24/2012 3:28pm

Originally Posted by Rivington

Please provide evidence that the victims' families were calling for the killer's execution.

I can't say as to weather they were calling for his execution, but I can say that my reply was no more bullshit than the post it was in reply to.

**Rivington** · Posted On: 8/24/2012 3:28pm

Originally Posted by Bneterasedmynam

Plus how bad does someone have to be before we as a society say it's just not worth it to house and feed them?? ... I just don't understand why anyone would want to waste their tax dollars on someone like that.

I'm sorry; how much tax money did the Norwegian government collect from you last year again?

**Ming Loyalist** · Posted On: 8/24/2012 3:29pm

Originally Posted by Bneterasedmynam

I mean damn he fucking killed 71 people most of them children. He is a waste of air. And having the maximum be 21 years just gives opportunity down the road for him to get out after the masses have forgot about this story. I just don't understand why anyone would want to waste their tax dollars on someone like that.

maybe because they think that killing a human being is *wrong*.

now, i personally happen to be OK with him getting killed (hell i'd even feed him to a lion on national tv, because i think being eaten by a big cat is probably one of the worst ways to die, but that's not the point.) i do respect the right of the norwegian public to lock him up and punish him whatever way they see fit. it's their tax money and they can and should do as they want.

**Rivington** · Posted On: 8/24/2012 3:39pm

Originally Posted by Bneterasedmynam

I can't say as to weather they were calling for his execution, but I can say that my reply was no more bullshit than the post it was in reply to.

Wrong. I was making the point that you don't know anything about Norway, its state, its social norms, etc. And you don't. That's not bullshit at all.

You then claimed that the families of the victims had wanted the killer executed. I asked you to demonstrate this. You now admit you just made it up. That is bullshit, top to bottom.

The problem, ultimately, is that you're a retarded provincial. All the "the victims' families" and "we as a society" and "tax dollars" stuff you're spouting are all more or less contextless herp-derp. Norway doesn't have a death penalty because most Norwegians don't want to empower the state to kill criminals, and because they want criminal justice to operate on levels other than that of punishment and retribution. You may find that hard to wrap your head around—which is why you resort to canned arguments fresh from some American high school debating team (special ed. edition) instead of actually looking at the issue as it actually exists in Norway.