Suplex

**Res Judicata** · Posted On: 8/22/2012 2:15pm

Originally Posted by The Question

Sweet. Last I squatted it was around 405 lbs 3 rep max. Deads at like 265 or some mediocre ****. I weight 200.

Off point a little, but if your squat/DL ratios are that far off, you're probably not squatting to parallel. You're not as strong as you think you are. Also, for these throws, work on front squats or even zercher squats rather than back squat because they are much closer to the loading.

Utsuri goshi is a related throw to ushiro goshi, but you need to really, really good to do it.

**The Question** · Posted On: 8/22/2012 9:40pm

Originally Posted by Res Judicata

Off point a little, but if your squat/DL ratios are that far off, you're probably not squatting to parallel. You're not as strong as you think you are.

I squat ass to grass. I squat below parallel. I squat in front of a mirror for exactly that reason.
My deadlift is weak because my grip doesn't hold up at higher weights and the bar slips from my grasp.

Also, for these throws, work on front squats or even zercher squats rather than back squat because they are much closer to the loading.

Real talk, I'm probably not going to squat because the technique is what I'm working on right now. I need some motherfucking technique son.

Utsuri goshi is a related throw to ushiro goshi, but you need to really, really good to do it.

That is a fucking awesome throw.

**Vince Tortelli** · Posted On: 8/22/2012 10:07pm

Originally Posted by TheMightyMcClaw

. But really, you need to have another set of equally cool ass attacks for when your opponent's weight is forward, so that they're damned either way.

I'm pretty sure this doesn't qualify as "cool" but my favorite way to take someone down if they're leaning forward from a back body lock position is to simply hook one of my legs around the front of one of their legs and drive forward. You might take the back off this, but most people will turn to face you as they go down and you'll get mount.

I learned it in Defensive Tactics at LSP, but I've gotten people with it in BJJ tournaments and MMA sparring, and Greg Jackson has it in his book of Stand Up Techniques. Can't get more legit than that.

**Permalost** · Posted On: 8/22/2012 11:48pm

I kinda like the one where you hook the legs and drive into the back with your shoulder as you lift and pull the legs into you to dump them on their stomach. Crafty Dog also taught us one called the "yank the chain takedown" where you grab the shorts/groin to dump them forwards.

**TheMightyMcClaw** · Posted On: 8/23/2012 12:26am

Originally Posted by Vince Tortelli

I'm pretty sure this doesn't qualify as "cool" but my favorite way to take someone down if they're leaning forward from a back body lock position is to simply hook one of my legs around the front of one of their legs and drive forward. You might take the back off this, but most people will turn to face you as they go down and you'll get mount.

I learned it in Defensive Tactics at LSP, but I've gotten people with it in BJJ tournaments and MMA sparring, and Greg Jackson has it in his book of Stand Up Techniques. Can't get more legit than that.

That's a good one. If the guy puts one of his hands down to stabilize himself, I'm fond of scooting around to the side and grapevining it for a crucifix.
I love me some crucifixion.

**Res Judicata** · Posted On: 8/23/2012 10:11am

Originally Posted by The Question

I squat ass to grass. I squat below parallel. I squat in front of a mirror for exactly that reason.
My deadlift is weak because my grip doesn't hold up at higher weights and the bar slips from my grasp.

Real talk, I'm probably not going to squat because the technique is what I'm working on right now. I need some motherfucking technique son.

That is a fucking awesome throw.

Use a mixed grip and chalk or straps. That ratio is seriously fucked up. You need a lot of need posterior chain strength to hit these throws. You also can simulate the throw with heavy sandbags--pick them up an chuck em like you would a person.

Utsuri goshi is a crazy throw, especially to have done to you. I know only one guy who can do it in randori--and he's a badass.

**blackmonk** · Posted On: 8/23/2012 10:35pm

I've hit a belly-to-back suplex in competition, and it was a counter to an uchi mata. The biggest detail, for me, is to throw my hips in the air... Everything else seems to follow rather naturally. And to avoid ever landing on the crown of my head, I'll look over the shoulder that I'm throwing towards. From there, I usually get them in turtle, like the previous poster said.

**DKJr** · Posted On: 8/23/2012 11:02pm

I hit one today in practice.

Mostly about getting your hips under their center of gravity then thrusting with your legs and arching over.

Plus you feel like a badass while doing it.

***Omega Supreme*** · Posted On: 8/23/2012 11:10pm

You're all amateurs. I have hit the supped in three of my pro fights. It is an actual leverage move not strength.

**The Question** · Posted On: 8/23/2012 11:17pm

Originally Posted by Omega Supreme

You're all amateurs. I have hit the supped in three of my pro fights. It is an actual leverage move not strength.

Well, come on then grandmaster, please elaborate. I'm trying to build my technique here. Yesterday I hit that ************ like 4 times on a heavy bag, but I was unable to get that spike. ie I was unable to land the heavy bag on its imaginary head/shoulders.

So how do I do that ****? Where is the leverage coming from?