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    Quote Originally Posted by bob63 View Post
    Judoka your wish goes live 22/11/2012 with the election of police crime commissioners on the 15th.
    Be interesting to see the turn out of electorate. Most areas have candidates sponsored by the major political parties and no funding available for independents publicity campaigns.
    should be interesting........
    No, because they're not doing the necessary piece which is breaking down police admin areas. It won't work without that piece.
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    Three times more people are killed in road accidents than get murdered, roughly, in the UK. My experience of the average fuckwit's opinion of correct police priorities is that they should focus on whichever laws he doesn't regularly break.
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    Judoka... do you mean force areas, or basic command units within forces? with the close confines of British geography priorities would differ from parish to parish, street by street in some areas. The collection of opinions and promulgation to local officers would be a nightmare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn View Post
    Three times more people are killed in road accidents than get murdered, roughly, in the UK. My experience of the average fuckwit's opinion of correct police priorities is that they should focus on whichever laws he doesn't regularly break.
    32% of all deaths are related to heart disease and strokes. Should we put the police outside MacDonalds in riot gear?

    Living in Liverpool is 35% more deadly than average. Maybe we should put some stingers down on the M62?

    Using raw stats to assign police priories is a very poor way of doing it.
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    but the generalisation of British policing is just fine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by slamdunc View Post
    Based on your post, (IMHO) it sounds like they need a 'shake-up' in leadership and to adjust their priorities. Considering the UK is where organized law enforcement really started (structurally, anyway), that is a sad state of affairs.
    It is probably different everywhere. Maybe in your precinct this "shakeup" is not necessary, but from a spectator's standpoint it would appear that somebody needs a fucking shakeup in a lot of locations whether it be in admin or those in the field.

    You should be hard-pressed to find a working constable that doesn't want to fight real crime. It would probably be easier to find an administrator that directs him to focus on traffic offenses.
    I don't think this is what judoka was arguing against, rather no matter who is at fault **** sucks and needs to change. The idea of hired bodies policing the streets is a good one, but a lot of times it just doesn't seem to work for the greater good.

    Nothing against you or any other honest policeman, but the whole system is just a racket anyway.
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    http://www.met.police.uk/confidence/hounslow.html

    Judoka figures for policing in Hounslow (typical borough?) seems majority disagree with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob63 View Post
    Judoka... do you mean force areas, or basic command units within forces? with the close confines of British geography priorities would differ from parish to parish, street by street in some areas. The collection of opinions and promulgation to local officers would be a nightmare.
    Ideally you would break it down to towns, outside of cities, and whatever the smallest administrative unit is within cities.


    Quote Originally Posted by bob63 View Post
    http://www.met.police.uk/confidence/hounslow.html

    Judoka figures for policing in Hounslow (typical borough?) seems majority disagree with you.
    I was unable to find the figures for Hackney, any idea where they are?

    And therein lies my point, if we're measuring satisfaction on a local basis, then we should also be having decision making and accountability at a local level.

    Nobody is happy with the current system. Coppers don't like having targets handed down from the home office and ordinary people don't feel that the police are there to serve them or to deal with the issues in their community.

    The only people who the current system serves are Westminster politicians who get to grandstand with this initiative or that and steal the credit for the success of the police, by claiming it was down to their enlightened guidance.
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    http://www.met.police.uk/confidence/hackney.html

    figures for Hackney. your opening statement would appear to be at odds with those surveyed both in satisfaction and localised priorities
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    I have been on public consultations with a wide variety of people. The most varied were in larger towns where there was a good mix of people and views. Rural ones tended to be outraged farmers and local members of the conservative party.

    Completely agree with the elected commissioner, my only concern over breaking admin units down to local level would be cost and duplication of duty. I'm a big fan of centralising support rather than breaking it up, but then I work in large corporates now rather than the Police force.
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