*Spoilers* Strikeforce: Rousey vs. Kaufman - Aug 18, 2012

**Devil** · Posted On: 8/20/2012 7:58am

Originally Posted by BKR

You do this stuff unconsciously don't you?

You mean stuff like exposing you as a halfwit? Why, yes I do.

Anyway....

Jacare is a BMF. I really want to see him against the UFC's best middleweights.

**Shawarma** · Posted On: 8/20/2012 8:36am

Tate vs Kedzie was badass, the sort of fight that should be held up as an example of the suitability of women's MMA for the big leagues. An excellent mix of Tate getting kicked squarely in the face and highly active ground battles with a very satisfying finish.

As for Rousey, I'd personally like to see if she'd manage to sub a weight-cutting Coenen, as she's perhaps the best submission fighter in her weight class, but she's currently fighting for peanuts in Invicta due to being caught up in the Zuffa/Golden Glory clusterfuck.

**NeilG** · Posted On: 8/20/2012 9:36am

Originally Posted by judoka_uk

She armlocked a BJJ blackbelt in 25 seconds in her first pro fight.

Hat tip PSB.

I did not know that, sir! (insert Ed McMahon laugh) A little googling shows Ediane Gomes is indeed a BJJ black belt and is still competing in tournaments, she won one in Florida this year although it may have been by default as no 2nd place is shown in her division.

**1point2** · Posted On: 8/20/2012 10:17pm

Originally Posted by judoka_uk

She armlocked a BJJ blackbelt in 25 seconds in her first pro fight.

Hat tip PSB.

I entirely missed this. My conditions have been revised: BJJ *world champion* or grappling Olympian, e.g. Sara McMann.

And let's see her against Marloes Coenen or however you spell it. I think she could do as well as Tate.

**Bneterasedmynam** · Posted On: 8/21/2012 11:38am

I completely expected Rousey to win, but damn I didn't expect it to be such a bitch slapping.

Why is everyone so upset over her trash talking?? She is no where near as arrogant as Sonnen or Bisping.

**judoka_uk** · Posted On: 8/21/2012 1:08pm

Originally Posted by NeilG

I did not know that, sir!

Originally Posted by 1point2

I entirely missed this.

I didn't know either until PSB posted it on sherdog.

Originally Posted by 1point2

My conditions have been revised: BJJ *world champion* or grappling Olympian, e.g. Sara McMann.

And let's see her against Marloes Coenen or however you spell it. I think she could do as well as Tate.

This is what's ridiculous for every win, Ronda can't win.

She beats everyone people say she has to beat and so they keep on moving the goalposts. Eventually we're going to see people posting 'Well she hasn't armlocked Brualio at ADCC' or 'Well until she beats Jon Jones by strikes she's overrated'.

The desperation has gone from a whiff to a reek.

**Res Judicata** · Posted On: 8/21/2012 1:43pm

Coenen lost to Tate--someone Ronda wrecked. McMann has ground out decisions in three of her last four fights. Women's Judo has--by far--the deepest talent pool of any of the female grappling sports. I just don't see anyone surviving long enough to get a decision. There is no one around her weight who can stop her armbar turn.

I saw a video with Eddie Bravo the other day where he broke down Ronda's armbar. He said that when Ronda gets him in the armbar position (the "spiderweb") even he can't escape. He said that she has best armbar in MMA--male or female.

**Azatdawn** · Posted On: 8/21/2012 5:52pm

Originally Posted by judoka_uk

This is what's ridiculous for every win, Ronda can't win.

She beats everyone people say she has to beat and so they keep on moving the goalposts. Eventually we're going to see people posting 'Well she hasn't armlocked Brualio at ADCC' or 'Well until she beats Jon Jones by strikes she's overrated'.

The desperation has gone from a whiff to a reek.

The fun part is, eventually she probably has to loose, unless she retires early... it's statistics, or having a bad day, whatever. Anyway, it's going to make a lot of people go the "see, I told you so" routine.

**1point2** · Posted On: 8/21/2012 8:53pm

Originally Posted by judoka_uk

This is what's ridiculous for every win, Ronda can't win.

She beats everyone people say she has to beat and so they keep on moving the goalposts. Eventually we're going to see people posting 'Well she hasn't armlocked Brualio at ADCC' or 'Well until she beats Jon Jones by strikes she's overrated'.

I don't think I'm moving goalposts. I'm quite a fan of Ronda, in fact. I'm just trying to think of exciting match-ups. Fighters can't be great without great opponents to challenge them.

Originally Posted by res judicata

Coenen lost to Tate--someone Ronda wrecked.

Means zilch. Fighting ability is not transitive.

I think you're right about stopping her armbar turn, though. Whoever beats her will have to do so by not getting near that armbar. Then we get to see the rest of Ronda's skillset! Wooo!

**Res Judicata** · Posted On: 8/21/2012 10:01pm

Originally Posted by 1point2

I don't think I'm moving goalposts. I'm quite a fan of Ronda, in fact. I'm just trying to think of exciting match-ups. Fighters can't be great without great opponents to challenge them.

Means zilch. Fighting ability is not transitive.

I think you're right about stopping her armbar turn, though. Whoever beats her will have to do so by not getting near that armbar. Then we get to see the rest of Ronda's skillset! Wooo!

We have seen other parts of Ronda's skillset-her unstoppable throws. No one has had an answer for her koshi gurma/harai goshi or her ko uchi.